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UL Summer Bag+ Liner

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PostedMar 19, 2012 at 8:51 pm

I have an opportunity to obtain a number of different sleeping bags at very low price and was curious to get some input regarding the bags which I was considering. Because my funds are limited at this time I was considering purchasing a 45 degree bag for warm weather camping and then utilizing a Thermolite Extreme Reactor for cooler temperatures.

I was looking at the Mountain Hardwear Phantom 45. I figured as a warm sleeper I could carry this bag for 1lb 3oz (Long Size) and once I add in a cool weather liner, (given the Phantom's good EN rating) I would have a 2LB 1oz bag suitable for around 25 degree temperatures. Does anyone use a system like this?

I'm not sure how effective one of those liners would be, the reviews seem to go all across the board.

PostedMar 20, 2012 at 4:22 am

I had one of those for a year before I returned it to REI to use the money towards something actually useful. It does add warmth, but then again ANY additional layer does. It certainly was not the claimed +25F; maybe 10 tops but probably only +5ish degrees. Difficult to know for sure because I didn't use it in the exact same conditions as when I went without it, but it just wasn't worth the weight and money. I will say my skepticism with the temperature claims began when I used at home on my bed; it wasn't warm enough by itself in a ~60F bedroom.

Personally, I think you're better off putting the money towards a down or synthetic jacket that will weigh the same or less and provide more insulation where it counts, as well as being useful outside of your sleeping bag. That's what I did.

Jeff

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedMar 20, 2012 at 5:57 am

No magic, no free lunch. Adding that liner won't turn your 45F bag into a 25F bag. Look at the specs for other bags– a Lamina 20 is more like 3lbs. That liner is like a super light fleece and the 20F gain is extremely optimistic, if not outright deceptive. You need loft for warmth, and 1/16"-1/8" of polyester just isn't going to deliver that.

I like a 32F bag for summer use and a 20F for shoulder seasons. If I had to choose one, I would get the 20F.

Ted E BPL Member
PostedMar 20, 2012 at 7:13 am

if your going to add a liner, add it for a little more comfort and to keep your bag clean, not for warmth. i use a silk liner because its light, i think it cuts down on drafts, and it keeps my bag cleaner so i don't have to wash it often, about once a year for the bag and i just wash the liner after every trip.

if you really want to add warmth to a bag, use a warmer pad. i use a neoair allseason now, and with my golite 40 degree bag and a silk liner, im comfy down to 30 degrees, and would be chilled but easily survivable down to 20 degrees. If i used something like a exped downmat UL7, thermarest XTherm, or a kookabay pad with an R value over 5, it might help a little more.

if your wanting a do it all 3 season setup, get a 30 degree bag and a pad with a 4+ r-value. that'll keep you warm to 20 degrees and then you can just vent it at warmer temps.

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