What you would do? – Sweeper Q / Initial Trip Report

First of all, thank god you are alive! That story just filled me with dread. I have lost a friend to a sweeper and it is the easiest way to die. Second, how much whitewater experience do you have, have you canoed/kayaked before? What I would have done is turned the nose of the packraft upstream and paddle like hell for the nearest eddie (backflowing water behind rocks/stumps/shoreline)

In the packraft you have to really lean forward and dig deep fast and hard to make it upstream.

Also, I would put the camera away while you are boating except for in the calmest water or from shore. This I am sure cost you time that you could have used to get to shore and portage around the sweeper.

I am glad you and that beautiful new raft survived.

What did your wife say?

This river was harder that I anticipated doing for my first time out. I wasn't sure about it, but the first couple rapids went well and according to the guidebook the river just gets mellower as you go. By this point, (6 out of 8 miles) I figured it was going to be all mellow from here so I was snapping more pics.

I probably would have noticed the sweeper sooner if I wasn't snapping a pic. I had the camera hanging around my neck on a cord and on the whole time, so it was pretty quick to snap pics but obviously you can never let your guard down. Lesson learned. Thankfully the camera wasn't lost during the swim.

About 10 years I was a canoe instructor and I've done quite a bit of lake and mild river paddling in both rivers and kayaks. I don't have much experience with white water, but I'm pretty strong paddler.

I'm not sure I could have held my ground against the water, but maybe I could have if I kept paddling instead of grabbing at boulder on the shore. The left side of the channel doesn't look too bad in the pic. I should practice more with paddling upstream and the techniques (leaning forward) in doing so to learn my limits. With that said, there was no way of paddling out of this spot, as I had just come through some rapids to wind up here, so landing on shore (with or without the raft) would have been required eventually.

I didn't make this sound as scary as it was when I told my wife. She knows I went under a log and for a good swim, but she was mostly worried about me being cold. She's got a raft order, so rather than get her scared I'm trying to learn what I can and keep us safe.

The spray deck has a ~6" tear, as does my rain jacket.

Hi Dan, Sorry, yes i was suggesting paddling upstream a little bit to find a place on shore to land (preferably from an eddy)

A really good practice for me when i first got my packraft was to play in some mild rapids and practice entering and exiting eddys. Also try to surf standing waves like this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7KA8QTdH0

Neat video…eddy's sure are fun. It's amazing how complex the water can be. I'm looking forward to getting out on the water again, but unfortunately I've got to fly to work tomorrow for a 4 week stint in the arctic (geology/exploration stuff). My wife's raft will be here when I get back, and then we'll go play on some mellow water.

Wow, man. Almost speechless! I don't post here a ton, but I've been lurking for a few years and really enjoyed your presence on the forums. I am really glad it turned out OK.

First off, really commendable of you to post this on a forum looking for input. We are all learning and you opened yourself up with a really approachable attitude. Awesome example.

I'm not going to offer you a "what I would have done/what you should have done" because as you and I both know, every backcountry situation is different and decisions like these are made instantaneously. Plus I don't want it to come off as somehow I think I have all the answers.

I used to do a fair bit of white water paddling, guiding, instruction, swift water rescue so I have a few thoughts.

Paddling by yourself is inherently more dangerous, way moreso than most other means of backcountry travel. I've done, do it, and will continue to do it, but the risk calculation needs to be very different. Risks encountered while paddling usually have a window of only seconds between life vs death. I've seen enough near deaths saved by paddling companions that I really believe in this. If you are out by yourself you have to be a ton more cautious, no room for error or surprise.

A pretty common accepted tenet in the WW community is that if you are paddling a river by yourself, (without intimate and recent knowledge of what lays ahead), then you must be confident in your ability to avoid any danger within your site line either by eddying out or by altering course. So if the flow is high enough or the river is curvy enough that you are not going to have the time/ability to do this then you need to get out and scout. Yup, can be time consuming but there really is no other safe choice. I mention "ability" because hardshells, canoes and different crafts that you may be used to have very different speed capabilities than what you are going to find with a packraft. Getting to shore in a kayak is always faster than swimming. but may or may not be in a packraft depending on the conditions. Worth experimenting.

As you mentioned, something that almost nobody realizes until they try it (hopefully simulated) is that it is pretty much impossible to hang onto or climb over a strainer with any minimal river flow going on. It just can't be done! If you are alone, that means that if you hit one, you are going under, and there is a very high probability you are not coming out the other side. Really, very, very high probability you will be snared. I can't tell you how relived I am you beat the odds. If you are already in the water then as a very last resort, best to flip onto your belly and swim headfirst at it with everything you've got.

I've practiced riding a hardshell up to a simulated strainer, crouching, and then diving over the obstacle as a drill. It can work as a hail mary option, but realistically only in mellow water and if you are in mellow water, then you really should be able to eddy out in the first place. If you try to ride in your boat all the way to the strainer/obstacle, grab, and ditch out on top, the tricky thing is that your boat will hit before you can grab, you then flip and essentially get pinned, making a bad situation even worse. If you need to bail, probably best to bail early.

If you are in the front country, I'd also make a strong argument for carrying a real PFD and helmet. (By the way, I want to see some updated pictures of the PFD project :)! I love it for backcountry lakes.

Toasting a beer to you tonight and your close call!

Ryan

Dan,

A back ferry at 45 degrees to the current, not the shore, would have moved you sideways to the opposite bank away from the strainer. Prior to the addition of the big butt stern in 2011, I had to use an upstream ferry to avoid submarineing my stern.

I'll add another vote to the glad you're alive camp. That log jam looks nasty.

On one occasion have I been swept towards a log in the river without time to get out. I jumped out of the boat and over the log with my paddle, and the raft washed over it. This was a simple log with no branches and at river level, on a small stream, and I had removed the deck early in the float because the creek was blown out at flood stage with no eddies.

I've since gotten a lot more careful about paddling those little creeks which are only doable at high water. They usually never have enough flow to flush debris well, and thus have lots of wood. I bailed (through a really nasty bushwack) on a few "first descents" last summer because the log jam roulette just got too egregious. Sometimes scouting, slow though it is, is the only responsible option.

Not to be pedantic and ask an obvious question, but were you ferrying when you tried to paddle to shore? I've been in what from your photos I assume to be a comparable position on many occasions. I would have spun around, bow 45 degrees to current facing upstream, and paddled like hell. Reach the shore, time it for a likely (solid) bit of rock bar, then do a final left paddle stroke to spin around facing downstream, huck the paddle on to solid ground, rip the skirt and jump/roll out right hand first. Hold on to your boat with the stern loop in the left hand. Scrabble as needed to hold position as rocks roll.

In the broader context, I think you got a bit too far in too soon. Getting to know how the boat reacts, how to bail and do a wet re-entry, and getting to know how your rivers work is best done a bit slowly. It looks like the combination of the current direction in that particular bend and your dense forest will create ideal conditions for big sweepers. I'd expect to find more in similar circumstances. There are creeks here that flow through similar soft soiled bottomlands with mature forest, and on the outside of big meanders those creeks almost without exception have big log jams. On a map they look like good paddling, when in reality you portage every other apex.

You also became acquainted with the limitations of raingear. It lowers the safety margin vastly.

Dan, so glad to hear that you came out of that one OK. Even though I knew you made it (as you were posting the details) it still freaked me out. I've been in a few sketchy situations in WW here in the SE and understand how it can go from OK to really bad news in the blink of an eye. Its really hard to say what you could have done differently after coming around the bend to more safely handle the situation.

Prior to getting there you were already nervous about the conditions… not scared but nervous. Listen to your gut. The speed and temperature of the water had you on edge. If you're alone like that, listen to your instinct and pull out and play another day. Its better to be conservative than dead!

I've ignored that 'little voice' a time or two and regretted it both on water and on the mountain bike. Thanks so much for posting your experience. Moving water is really powerful and can be underestimated so easily. Have fun on your trip and let us know how the next adventure goes.

BTW, how did you like the Shuna on the water?

DM

"Not to be pedantic and ask an obvious question, but were you ferrying when you tried to paddle to shore?"

Yeah. To provide a little more detail, when I saw the trouble I spun around (now facing upstream) and paddled/ferried toward the rocky shore (on the left in the pic) at an ~45 degree angle as recommending in Packrafting!. I successfully got there quickly, while still also moving downstream pretty quickly. I decided to grab for a big boulder on the shore to anchor myself. This didn't work as the rock pulled out and into the water. Since I had stopped paddling to grab the rock, the water spun me around and pulled me back into the current. By the time I was paddling again it was too late. I was in that rough water stretch in the 40' or so before the log. I then bailed out, but it was too late to get to shore.

Had I not grabbed for the rock and just continued to paddle, I perhaps could have slowed/halted my downstream movement and had a little more time to execute a bail out onto the shore. Even if I couldn't, an earlier bail instead of grabbing for the rock would have been better it seems.

"A pretty common accepted tenet in the WW community is that if you are paddling a river by yourself, (without intimate and recent knowledge of what lays ahead), then you must be confident in your ability to avoid any danger within your site line either by eddying out or by altering course. So if the flow is high enough or the river is curvy enough that you are not going to have the time/ability to do this then you need to get out and scout."

Sounds like a wise strategy. I'll keep this in mind. Thanks.

"Prior to getting there you were already nervous about the conditions… not scared but nervous. Listen to your gut."
Yeah I need to listen and develop this sense more. The cold and fast water was intimidating, but then I kept thinking how the guide book said this was an 'excellent run for novices' which made me trust my feelings less. I had also let my guard down a bit thinking I had already made it through the toughest part.

How did you like the Shuna on the water?"
It's awesome. I felt right at home with this paddle. Feels very strong.

In summary, I think the two main mistakes I made were not scouting something I couldn't see, AND not bailing onto shore right away. I was picturing that boulder holding and me making a nice calm exit onto shore. When the boulder pulled into the water (as I now realize they do very easily) I was in a bad spot.

you need to be extra careful. this kinda s#!t comes in 3's.

stay safe

Hi Dan,

Glad you made it out with just a couple of bruises and a tiny bit of lost gear. Good on you for being open about it and using it as a learning experience, stay safe,

Dan, I'm glad I read your post instead of "BC Packrafter Drowns"

To be honest I would have gone out on my own just like you (overly excited with your new boat, some of us are just like that). You read the available information and made an educated decision. The hard part of the ride was over. Luckily the rest is enjoyable history.

This is a great example of what can go wrong regardless of the research, (kind of like Roger C's- when things go wrong article). Your prior experience did pay off, and a lot of luck.

I have learned from you experience. Also, thank you to those how have added what to do and not do in the future. I've been contemplating getting a packraft also, so this has been helpful information.

Dan thanks for still being here.

I agree that you shouldn't whitewater paddle alone. I never go alone. Then again, this was supposed to be class I-II water. If possible, its good to know what the water level is and what that means for your river.
Also, if you have a strainer that is impassible, its probably best to bail out early and try to get to shore. I usually assume that there will be a route to cheat the strainer though, especially in class II water.
Nothing like a little danger and icy water to get the adrenaline moving.

Thanks for the kind word guys. It has been a great learning experience.

This particular strainer/sweeper was impassible (short of leaping over), so the best option would be have been to ferry to the left shore (easy to do) and then make an exit/bail onto shore (somewhat hard to do). The water really dropped off quickly, so a good exit would be needed to land on or very close to the shore and out of the deeper channel.

I think one small part of the mistakes I made here, was not appreciating the seriousness of the situation immediately. It looked like the log was down all the way across, but it was hard to see for sure, and in the back of my mind I was thinking 'this can't really be happening….a way out will present itself'. Had I realized the seriousness of the sweeper/strainer right away, I think I would have made a panicked bail out as soon as I ferried to the shore instead of just grabbing at the shoreline boulders in an attempt to secure the raft and make a nice tidy exit.

The water flow this day was 80 cm's, with 50cm's being a medium flow and 100cms being a high flow for this river. I think the main problems here though was an unlucky fresh log down completely across the channel, combined with someone who isn't used to such rapid decision making on the water. My previous water experience is decent, but never in such a fast paced environment.

Regarding paddling alone, this is a skill I want to develop by improving my knowledge and skills, and heeding advice from others such as R Wilks 'tenet' mentioned previously. I would like to paddle with others in the front country to expand my skills and made me safer when I am alone. Ultimately I'd like to be doing class III-IV front country water, so that I feel comfortable on class II-III when I'm solo in the backcountry and far from help. This particular incident would have sucked a lot more in the backcountry, since instead of walking 40 minutes to a warm car, I would have had to walk hard for hours to get my layers somewhat dry.

TAD: Get yourself a raft. I know a great little river we can hit up. Supposedly it's 'excellent for novices'.

Got out for a nice class II raft ride today with my wife and her new raft. Nothing super wild but it was good to get out and practice. My wife found it a bit intimidating a first, but she did a nice job. We got out and scouted a lot of stuff….time consuming but nice to know what's coming. There was one spot with a bunch of trees along the outside bend that was nice to portage around.

I am glad you are okay. My palms were sweating while reading this! I have had many near-misses on the water and I know for a fact they made me a better, more cautious boater. I am always happy (well, happy is not the word here) to see when somebody posts an adventure that does not go as planned and post it in all its glory for all to see. I think it helps us all. For what its worth, I have a few hard won rules from some scary mistakes on the water: travel in twos on whitewater, stay the h*** away form strainers at all costs including equipment loss, stay with the flow and away from holes in an inflatable craft and when in doubt, scout.

I am brand new to packrafting and I have an unusual craft that is very different from the Alpackas (about which I will post soon) but I have may miles in whitewater, mostly in IK's on multi-day trips. I have some hard-shell experience, but mostly rafts and IK's. I think Alpackas walk a fine line between the hard shell experience in maneuverability, but display the terrible hole-punching of ability of IK's. I have a main concern: I am very hesitant to use one with a spray deck. They require a hand to bail (you need two once you're over, one for the paddle and one for the boat) and precious seconds to enact. With thigh straps, you straighten you legs and you're out. I know they are an entanglement hazard, but all of my experience with thigh strap issues have been user error, usually with them being too loose. I hope Alpacka strongly considers a self-bailing with-thigh straps option. The Baylee from Feathercraft looks awesome but heavy. My craft is a very lightweight pontoon made for a short time by Dave Scadden. I have been on light WW only so far and am in the process of making it a worthy craft and will post on my progress soon.

To be clear, I have not used an Alpacka and any input is welcome.

I found the stock velcro on my '10 Alpacka deck was gentle enough that it ripped open under bodyweight when I filled. I beefed up the waist velcro because it would come open a bit while boofing, and it now takes a bit more force to open when flipped. A worthwhile tradeoff for me.

Regardless, go practice wet exits! Find a baby surf wave, the type kayakers wouldn't bother with, and spend hours following around, learning the limits of the boat, and practicing wet exits and wet reentries without going to shore and in moving water over your head.

I have been ww kayaking for about 6 years now and strainers can be deadly. You never want to be below water in a strainer. If your only option is running into a strainer, you want to lean into it and give everything you have to try and go over the top of it, even if its just you and not the boat. In a kayak, the reason for leaning into the strainer is to get your upstream edge out of the water to keep it from catching and rolling you. Not sure how that would work in a packraft since the edges are different, but I would assume that it'd be the same. Anyways, glad to hear you made it through alright! Looks like fun!

Dan – thanks for sharing that harrowing tale. It brought me back to an old, but still vivid memory.

When I was a fearless and indestructible 15 year old, I was fly fishing in the Oregon Cascdes wearing shorts and sneakers. While crossing a sweeper by foot, where there was actually water lapping over the semi-barkless log, I slipped over into the upstream side of the log, was partially sucked under, and instantly hanging on for dear life. The channel had narrowed, the current was strong, and directly downstream in the swift currect was a massive logjam/strainer. Eventually, I succumbed to my fate, and released myself to be sucked under. Even worse, I had let go of my fly rod that I had built myself during the previous Winter. While underwater, I thought about some things (separate book, still to be written). As only fate determined, that day was not my day to pass. I hit bottom with my feet, rocketed up, grabbed a branch, and hoisted my frame upward and out of the stream and onto a dry log. While recovering from the shock, I looked down into the water again and pondered what had just transpired. My peripheral vision picked up a pale orange loop of fly line around my shoe, which I slowly and carefully grasped, pulled, and proceeded to extricate my fly rod from well downstream after pulling all line and backing off of the reel. I couldn't believe that I was alive and still in possession of the precious (my rod), as well as my life.

Today, I live in Switzerland, and mainly travel alone on multiday packrafting/flyfishing expeditions in the western USA backcountry. For situations encountered such as the one faced by Dan, I would definitely confirm the backferrying technique recommended by Richard Nisley. It works when executed correctly. However, if you are trucking along in a fast current and suddenly too close too your obstacle you are still screwed in a packraft, even if you're a strong paddler. To mitigate this, I suggest to just slow down your boat in general. Usually one is not in a race. Anytime I sense or see uncertainty, I immediately do an easy backpaddle to buy time. It sounds really basic, but we don't always do it, and it helps a lot. For backcounrty trips it also helps to keep you dryer and warmer, because rapids will splash you less, the slower your going.

Vivid story…thanks for sharing the story and tips Gregory. Good to get your thoughts on rafting safety.

Dan – Thanks for posting this, your story totally freaked me. The odds of slipping through a strainer and coming out relatively unscathed are not great, I'm glad you were one of the lucky ones.

As an avid fisherman, I've spent 40 years fishing the west coast rivers and know the dangers. A couple of suggestions to add to the ones already offered by others. I always carry extra clothes in a dry bag because you can become hypothermic very quickly and exercise isn't always an option (you could have been hurt and had to wait for assistance). The clothes don't have to weigh much if you are concerned about weight and I carry one set that can be used by anybody in my group.

The other thing that I would add is that you mentioned you walked to a road that ran along the river. As a novice, I would suggest that you scout the river with a topo map and mark the areas of concern before your drift. Yes it takes a bit of trip planning to do this but if it saves you from another post like this (or worse) then it's time well spent.

Keep the trip reports coming, I always enjoy your posts!

Me and friend had a great day on some local water today (Green River, Whistler, BC). He was more experienced that I, which was great for learning.

We did this 45min run twice. He led the first, I led the second time. The second run was super enjoyable because we knew it was clear of logs etc.

Not very many pics today…we were too busy rafting.