How to get all the things of a Trangia I like but just smaller and lighter

>Caldera Cone system. This looks attractive, its lighter but how do I get 2 pots? I want basically 2 L pots or them slightly different size say 850ml inside a 1L. Which pots? The issue is the Caldera system relies on the outside diameter of the pot being the same so using nested pots won't work, unless I use some kind of pegs inside the cone to hold a smaller pot?

Actually, I seem to remember playing with this nested 2 pot Trangia in the past, and as I recall, the pots fit so tight, and the lip around the edge is so large, that I believe we can get one cone to work with both pots. Drop me an email directly and we'll hash through it!

Rand :-) (randATtraildesignsDOTcom)

I posted an idea for a related 2 part cone trangia in the following thread:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=55989&skip_to_post=503039#503039

(Thread in Gear : Stove of the week: The Trangia 27)

My stove is the Evernew Ti Stove set (http://www.evernewamerica.com/ti_gear.htm) which has two drawbacks compared to Trangia – 1. you don't have a lid for burner to save unused fuel so you need to judge well and 2. the stove set is quite small so pots being stirred can be more unstable etc.
I don't consider the lack of simmer control an issue as I have pot cozies for all my pots (e.g.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO92ndwx5UA).
The pot cozies can make a big difference in the noise factor as well.
For pots if you want to nest 2 pots like Trangia I would suggest just use the Trangia pots and grippers. I use one Evernew Ti pot and one single wall stainless steel mug (yes – with it's own cozy). I know SS is not ultralight but I picked it up for $1.00 at a Salvation Army store and it has a lid! As a single wall mug I can use it direct on the stove for a soup or a coffee. I wrap the stove kit in half a tea towel (dish cloth I think you call them in the US) and put it inside the pot and no rattles. The mug stores whatever fits inside – usually coffee and/or sugar. As the pot and the mug have handles I don't need grippers but the towel sometimes helps avoid burns when I boil direct in the mug.

I don't think my setup is quite what you seek but I suggest that mix and match what works for you may be the best way to go.
I do think the Caldera system looks one of the best ways to go for alcohol stoves and my son who hikes with me has bought a sheet of titanium to make his own but won't until he settles on what two pots he wants to carry and then will make a cone to fit both. But I just sort of "evolved" my setup and couldn't be happier with it.

Rand has the answer for you. ( i was going to say "call Rand")

If you could get away with a cone, you could use your trangia burner that simmers, and your stacking pots but not have the heavy windscreen or fry pan lid.

best of both worlds…and a company that will really help you out!

Have you looked at the clikstand ti set-up for Triangia (also the lighter Evernew ti alcohol stove)? I use mine with an Evernew .9 L pot, which holds stand, windscreen and stove nicely. The lid on the pot is just a lid, but you're not frying anyway. I think it covers the rest of your "likes", although it would be no faster than your current set-up.

Adding an additional larger pot would be up to you.

so I *own* the Duossal pans which I like but those pans are not compatible with the cone due to a very shallow lip, so my only lightening-up options are:

– use my Duossal pans basically the likes of Clickstand, etc which are inferior to the cone (heavier, more wind-prone and more costly).

– Or I get new pans and the freedom of choice there. I inherently for "real cooking" do not like Ti as it burns too easily and why I like Duossal its a basically a Alu-HA very tough solution. Alu-HA are practically the same weight, only 20g heavier than Ti.

– Or use a "beer band" type heat-proof tight friction ring to make the Duossal pans capable of being propped up by the Cone, basically give the Duossal pan a lip.

Nigel Healy said:
"so I *own* the Duossal pans which I like but those pans are not compatible with the cone due to a very shallow lip, so my only lightening-up options are…"

You could use a caldera cone with stakes for support (like the sidewinders).

Did you see my 2 part Caldera Cone UL trangia like variant idea:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=55989&skip_to_post=503039#503039

(Thread in Gear : Stove of the week: The Trangia 27)

This was a special-order cone from Trail Designs and how I got to use different size pots: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=38016.

Call or e-mail Rand and I'm sure you two can work out something similar to meet your needs.

Bailey

yes stakes to support a Duossal pan is an option

Duossal pans, while very high quality, are anything but lightweight – seriously lightening your cooking system is going to be difficult if the Duossal pots are kept.

For my use, I find that ti pots are fine for boiling or simmering, but aluminum is necessary for sauteing or frying. So my pot is ti, and my pan (not often taken) is non-stick coated aluminum.

I have the weights. Duossal 27 outer pan no lid no handle is 130g. If you have both pans 134g+130g = 264g, add a handle is 24g (Ti) to 48g (Trangia 27 handle) = 312g for two 1L pots with Trangia handle. A basic Titanium pot with handle of 1L with handle is 116g. Add a non-stick coating and a Ti-nonstick 1L with handle+lid is 140g and if you used a simple foil lid for the Duossal you're basically getting a few grammes of each other. So I'd not see Dussosal as heavy "like for like" but accept heavy relative to your basic Ti pot.

If you're going for 2 pots the two Duossal are actually not much more weight at all than Ti+nonstick, having the nested pot with one gripper handle is a nice compact system.

I like the pot-gripper concept, I've never lost mine in 30yrs and I pick up a cold gripper, grip a hot pot and put the pot down, vs touching a handle which has spent last few minutes attached to a warming pot and above a flame. Having pots without attached handles is neater for stacking and I suspect less total weight too.

I'd say Duossal is comparable to Alu Hard anodized, so from Trail Designs their nearest equivalent to Duossal is say the Open Country 3 Cup Hard Anodized Pot 108g with lid no handle.

As Duossal is no longer commercially available, for anyone starting out there's the Alu+HA pans available. I'd guess the steel inside Duossal will outlast the HA coating by many many meals.