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Kovea Camp 5 — Lightweight Remote Canister Stove

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Hikin’ Jim BPL Member
PostedJan 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm

If it’s cold out and your remote canister stove has a generator (a pre-heat mechanism), then you can invert (turn upside down) the canister. Inverting the canister means that you’re sucking liquid off the bottom of the canister instead of sucking vapor off the top. Now, liquid fuel goes to the burner where the heat of the flame vaporizes fuel. If the heat of the flame is doing the vaporization, you’re far less dependent on the weather.

In fact, all you need from the weather is just enough warmth to keep a little pressure in the canister, just enough pressure to get some liquefied gas to the burner where the heat of the flame will take care of the rest. And that pressure should be pretty easy to come by. Unlike upright operation, the propane content of your canister does not burn off faster. With inverted operation (liquid feed gas), your gas mix — and thus your canister pressure for a given outside temperature — stays fairly constant.

As a practical matter, you can run your stove inverted in weather that’s about 20F/10C colder than if your ran your stove upright.

Wow, gas in colder weather? All the simmering, none of the priming. How sweet is that?

Um, but what’s the catch?

Well, the “catch” is that remote canister stoves that can handle inverted operation usually weigh two or three times what an upright stove weighs. But we’re making progress.

Today, on my blog, I feature a guest post by Geoff R from Australia. Geoff reviews the Kovea Camp 5. The Camp 5 weighs 142g/5.5oz. Which, while not as light as an upright stove, is a step in the right direction, particularly when you compare the Camp 5 to other remote canister stoves like the MSR WindPro (227g/8oz) and the Primus Express Spider (198g/7oz).

HJ
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Jim W. BPL Member
PostedJan 29, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Jim & Geoff,

Thanks for the review. I ordered one last week but have about three more weeks to wait for delivery from Korea. Looking forward to playing with it…. Hopefully I'll do some tests up at Mammoth or Mt. Baldy (freezing temps and 10,000' elevation)

Hikin’ Jim BPL Member
PostedJan 29, 2012 at 9:28 pm

Hi, Jim,

If you get a chance, please post here how that works out. I think the Camp 5 is a very interesting stove. For that class of stoves, it’s much lighter than anything regularly available in the US market.

HJ
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Hikin’ Jim BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2012 at 9:05 am

Hopefully I’ll do some tests up at Mammoth or Mt. Baldy (freezing temps and 10,000′ elevation)

At 10,000ft/3000m, you might need to be quite a bit below freezing to really test the difference between an upright and a remote canister stove. The higher you go, the lower the vaporization point of the fuels.

Recall this graphic from my Gas: How Cold Can I Go? blog post.

At 10,000ft/3000m, you’ll need to be in weather about 20F degrees or 10C degrees below what you would need for testing at sea level. I think you’d need to be around 0F to properly test things at 10,000ft/3000m. A tad chilly.

HJ
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PostedJan 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm

From the pictures, I don't like the stove's pot supports at all. Not only they look flimsy, they also might be incompatible with some (many?) pots having heat exchangers.
How about taking these pot supports away and combining the stove with a Caldera Cone? :)

Also, I would like to remind that there are more canister stoves with generators in this weight range: Bulin BL100-B5 and Fire Maple FMS-118. Although, I have not seen the latter sold yet. And I've managed to clog the former and it does not seem to be repairable. :(
So, after all, may be there is a sense in buying a somewhat heavier Spider Express?..

Hikin’ Jim BPL Member
PostedJan 30, 2012 at 6:40 pm

From the pictures, I don’t like the stove’s pot supports at all. Not only they look flimsy, they also might be incompatible with some (many?) pots having heat exchangers.
How about taking these pot supports away and combining the stove with a Caldera Cone? :)

Also, I would like to remind that there are more canister stoves with generators in this weight range: Bulin BL100-B5 and Fire Maple FMS-118. Although, I have not seen the latter sold yet. And I’ve managed to clog the former and it does not seem to be repairable. :(
So, after all, may be there is a sense in buying a somewhat heavier Spider Express?

Sergiy,

I would be very careful with any Bulin products. Bulin products generally do not have a very good reputation.

Fire Maple on the other hand does have a pretty good reputation. I will go and look for a FMS-118 and see what that looks like.

By the way, I have read of people using a remote canister stove with a Ti-Tri Caldera Cone. I’ll have to try that some time myself.

HJ
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