Jan 18, 2012 at 10:49 am #1284312
–Jan 18, 2012 at 10:55 am #1826251
Yes, the hydration bladder hose freezes up in winter. You can avoid that if you blow back into the bag to clear the water from the hose, but you still often get enough dripping back to the low point to freeze into a block. Blow back, then extend the hose over your head to let drips run back works pretty well but is a little tedious if you're a sipper instead of a gulper.
Starting from home or camp with warm/hot water in the bladder helps too. And buys you more time before the bladder or other things in your pack freeze up.
Increasingly there are double-wall Nalgene and stainless bottles available but they are hardly UL. Just put a sock or hat (that you brought anyway) around your water bottle that will buy a lot of time for you.Jan 18, 2012 at 11:30 am #1826274
@ikeLocale: Central Michigan
When I need snowshoes, they are generally on my feet the entire time, but it's cold enough here that I almost always need an alternate solution for water (I don't carry bottle cozies). I usually have one bottle inside my shirt that I'll drink from during the day. I may have a reserve bottle inside my pack up against my back.Jan 18, 2012 at 11:47 am #1826279
Josh, I am not too sure which snow shoes you are using, but I know that I could attach both of my MSR EVO Ascents to the same side of my Pinnacle? I can also do this is on my CCW Valdez & Chernobyl, as well as my BD Speed 30 and my friend's Variant 37.
This leaves one free side to attach anything else that you need (probe, crampons, microspikes, pickets, tent etc)– in your case this would free up the side pocket for your water.
If you are unable to do this, then look at:
1) Using a 'biner to affix the nalgene to somewhere else on the pack in a nalegene cozy.
2) Putting the nalgene inside the pack, wrapped in your down jacket.
Most people that I know do not use the hose on their bladder due to freezing– but packing the actual bladder is just fine, just discard the hose and put a lid on the bladder.Jan 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm #1826308
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
I never carry any water bottles on the outside of my pack. That solves that problem.
AS OP have mentioned, I too carry my PET water bottles (not bladder) inside my pack against my back. That way they never freeze.
Forgive my hard-line attitude, but I have never undestood this desire to hang stuff around the outside of the pack where it can fall off, get snagged, or get damaged. I carry a pack made of reasonable fabric to keep my gear safe – inside. OK, skis and snowshoes hang outside :-)
CheersJan 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm #1826316
If I had to carry my snowshoes on my pinnacle I would probably put them on the back and connect the compression straps together across the pack. This way you could still carry your nalgene in the side pocket of the pack. It will make it harder to get into the back pocket though. Unless your pack is several years old it should have this feature. If not it could be rigged simply.Jan 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm #1826322
@chadnscLocale: Duluth, Minnesota
When I winter backpack with a pack (I normally use a pulk sled) I'll simply strap my snowshoes to the back of my pack if and when I cross sections where the lack of snow would damage my shoes.
As for the water bottles, I keep them on the sides or hip belt of my pack. I use an insulated water bottle cover from Anti-Gravity-Gear. I've found that when you're moving the water doesn't have a chance to freeze up.
Now if I'm pulling my pulk sled I keep on water bottle on me and one in the front of my sled. When needed snowshoes simply get strapped to the top of my pulk.Jan 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm #1826352
RE: things hanging off of your pack– I guess it really depends on what you are doing and what type of pack you are using. Personally I like to have the following close at hand:
My CCW Valdez, Cherynobl and BD Speed all have a dedicated place for the aformentioned items that prevents them from getting snagged, damaged or from falling off. Now on something like the Pinnacle– this would be very much an issue since it isn't designed for such loads.
As for water– I have regularly 'binered my water bottles from the gear loops (designed for a racking and storing a tool holster style) on my hipbelt without issue. I have always preferred the convenience of having water at hand, without having to take my pack off every time and sometimes when climbing, taking your pack off just isn't feasible in certain situations. Granted on my BD Speed 30, I have no such option and so the water goes into the pack either next to my back or wrapped in my belay jacket.
Like I said, it really depends on the pack and the activity that you are doing in the mountains. For simple backpacking or snowshoeing then I don't see anything that should be hanging off your pack unless you are getting into avy terrain.Jan 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm #1826359
>"Something like what was mentioned above too have it inside the jacket."
Somebody like Campmor or Coleman makes a thin-walled polyethylene "flask" that has a slimmer shape to it. Sort of the plastic version of a whisky hip flask. That would sit a lot flatter under your jacket. $5 or so.
Cheaper yet, would be the flasks that low-brow alcoholic drinks come in. Jagermeister kind of stuff comes in flasks because (I presume) their customers are serious drunks who always want it handy. Some middle of road stuff, Bicardi Rum and such, come in pretty flat flask-like bottles of 325 and 500 ml sizes.
Just go to whatever empty lot is next to a downtown liquor store. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle! But wash it REALLY well, first!Jan 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm #1826540
in winter i seldom carry a water bottle on the outside of my pack. they are usually wrapped in my puffy layer at the top of my pack. when it's cold i seldom sip water while on the move so there's no reason to have water available. i tend to stop every hour or so for 5-minutes and it's at those times that i'll take a drink.Jan 18, 2012 at 10:09 pm #1826546
I don't know why, but I am the same way in the winter; I can never seam to get enough water down me but it is very much psychological issue with me depending on the pack I am carrying– if I use my Chernobyl, then I am constantly drinking from the 1L bottle hanging from the tool loop, if the I use the BD Speed 30 and the water is inside the pack, then I drink much less.
Either way, I find that neither method detracts from my overall speed, however I certainly know when I haven't been drinking enough and that is usually on the descent rather the ascent.
I guess just go with whatever works for the situation you expect to be in– hence the reason why I switch between packs, no one method will suit all application.Jan 19, 2012 at 2:10 am #1826565
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Yeah, OK, you win that one. My alpine gear goes on the outside, like yours. But I was talking about walking, not semi-alpine stuff.
CheersJan 19, 2012 at 5:32 am #1826590
paul – for me it's not so much about how much i drink in the winter, but when i drink it. i make a point of staying well hydrated even if i don't feel thirsty.Jan 19, 2012 at 7:17 am #1826623
day hiking in the winter I've had pretty good luck w/ the Platypus Insulator- it's a Big Zip w/ an outer insulating sleeve, it also provides a sleeve for the tube. I still use the technique David describes above, blowing the water back into the bladder after drinking
one more option to consider anywaysJan 19, 2012 at 11:11 am #1826716
I carry a water bottle in an insulated cover on my Shoulder strap. I can slide it up the strap to make it easy to pull the bottle out, then let gravity pull it down. The cover I have is open on top so if it's much below freezing I will put the bottle in upside down to keep the threads from freezing. I sometimes bring a small thermos instead.
If its warm and I'm sweating a lot I nibble on snow constantly. When I stop for lunch I sometimes make a hot drink and more water.
I'm not overly obsessed with weight, but even on day trips I bring a stove since its lighter than a second quart of water. Plus the hot drink ritual is so enjoyable. When the kids are along it is the highlight.Jan 19, 2012 at 11:32 am #1826726
great point – if there's snow on the ground i always pack a stove.Jan 19, 2012 at 11:41 am #1826734
And while on a snow trip, stove = water is true, I'd bring it for another reasonas well.
If you get in a really bad way – someone fell through the ice, had a severe "wardrobe malfunction", broke a leg, etc – you need great kindling to start a fire in winter with wet, frozen wood. The best "kindling" is your stove – start it and put branches right on top until it's a going fire.
I did that once when my wife landed her kayak on a beach of an Alaskan fjord just before a 6-foot wave broke over her. She was cold and wet, but we had a stove and there was driftwood. Had one big fire very fast.
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