Jan 18, 2012 at 5:41 am #1284292
I have been kicking around the idea of getting a quilt an was wondering if some of you guys would throw out some pros an cons of of cold weather quilt?
I'm currently using a mummy bag and on cold nights I've got the draw strings pulled and balled up inside.
So I'm looking for everyones thoughts.Jan 18, 2012 at 8:01 am #1826159
You pretty much just stated the con with quilts and that is that in the winter, the simple "tucking" method just isn't sufficient, but of course YMMV. For me it was just an unpleasant night sleeps when the temp dipped to the low single digits and the winds were gusting to 50mph and there was just no way to keep out those drafts efficiently.
I use a quilt in the 3-seasons and a mummy in the winter– there is no way I would go back to a quilt for winters in Colorado at 11K.
If you live in a milder winter climate, then you could probably get away with using a quilt year round.Jan 18, 2012 at 8:16 am #1826164
Well you pretty much made my mind up for me.. forget the draft! Thanks for saving me some coin!Jan 18, 2012 at 8:26 am #1826167
If you're going to use a quilt in the winter, it needs to be quite a wide one so you can easily get it tucked it/rolled around you, even if you are wearing a ton of extra layers. It can be done, but if you go with a generous width quilt, then you're not saving much weight over a normal bag, so you have to really prefer quilts. I do prefer sleeping in quilts (weight aside) but in the winter I still prefer to security/simplicity of a bag. With that said, I don't own a bag and I've been using a quilt so far this winter and it's been fine. It also hasn't been that cold (ie. no colder than 20F when I've been out).Jan 18, 2012 at 8:30 am #1826171
Last weekend I experienced 6° at night with 15-20 mph wind.Jan 18, 2012 at 9:21 am #1826206
@mikefaedundeeLocale: Under a bush in Scotland
As others have said, the quilt must be wide enough. Trying to balance a narrow strip of down on top of you is simply stupid.
Even in warmer weather, the quilt needs to be wide enough to stop drafts.
I use a Nunatak Arc Specialist down to around freezing, then a Katabatic Sawatch Wide when the temp drops lower. Even though the weight savings aren't that big with a wider quilt, it's worth it to me for the freedom it gives.
I HATE mummy bags.Jan 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm #1826293
First, if I'm out in the winter I try to stay out of the wind by using some kind of shelter or bivy. That way strong winds don't blast the sleeping bag all night long.
I will use a quilt in the winter to save weight, specifically a Nunatak Arc Expedition quilt. I tried it last month down to about 15F. At first I was having issues with drafts getting in around the edges. I had the quilt straps running under my pad, but when I switched to having them directly under me the drafts stopped and I was quite warm.
Of course, you need some kind of down balaclava with a quilt in lieu of the normal hood on a sleeping bag.Jan 18, 2012 at 1:20 pm #1826325
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
What Mike said about *narrow* strip of down!
Yes, we use quilts in winter. Requirements:
A good head cover
*Good* shelter from wind
A *good* mat underneath
A good dinner
CheersJan 18, 2012 at 1:26 pm #1826331
In cold weather, I prefer a mummy bag. In spring, summer, and fall situations I can get away with a quilt, but I prefer a bag for lack of fiddle factor and drafts when the temps drop and the wind starts blowing.Jan 18, 2012 at 1:30 pm #1826333
I'm curious, how wide is wide enough for those of you using quilts in winter?Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm #1826334
@chuckie_cheeseLocale: Arizona and British Columbia
Tucking the quilt in is important.
I have a Katabatic gear quilt the Palisade wide 6', and it has a very good attachment system with multiple "latches". I toss about but I find the system very good for attaching me to the quilt. I would say I would still prefer a sleeping bag for warmth but only by a very small margin that is not normally worth the quilt's advantages.
I think what is important is the sleeping pad and R rating. I have no problems with the quilt itself but the ground can leach alot warmth with my Synmat UL at 20 degrees.Jan 18, 2012 at 1:54 pm #1826340
"I'm curious, how wide is wide enough for those of you using quilts in winter?"
Well now, that depends on how wide a person is…… ;-)Jan 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm #1826375
I smell a fat joke inbound………..Jan 18, 2012 at 7:41 pm #1826488
"Well now, that depends on how wide a person is…… ;-)"
I thought about going there… :) How about for a 5'5" 155 lbs guy with around a 38" chest? I've been thinking of making a winter quilt but not quite sure how wide to go. It seems like the commercially available ones are around 58".Jan 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm #1826494
At your size, 58" would be more than fine. I'm bigger than you, once had a Nunatak BackCountry Blanket, which is 61" at the shoulder and 51" at the hip, and I could easily wrap that thing around me nice and snug.
But what I'd do is simply put on what you'd normally be sleeping in, lay down on the floor on your back or side (depending on how you sleep), have your wife/a friend take a tape measure and fairly loosely drape it around you at your widest point (should be shoulders, unless you've had children…..), add a few inches for tuck, and you've got your width at the shoulders! At least, it seems like that would work.Jan 19, 2012 at 3:02 am #1826570
@leadfootLocale: Middle Virginia
That's pretty much how I had mine measured and made from Nunatak. It's worked out just fine. IIRC, my widest part of the quilt is 57". I can tuck snug if I need to, but haven't had the need. Just make sure you don't let yourself get wider!Jan 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm #1828207
So what length should I get if I'm 5'6" 180 lbs? Do you think I could pull a 6' wide over my head?? I think I'm going to take the plunge….Jan 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm #1828293
@traumaheadLocale: Cen Cal
I'm 5'8", about 175lbs, and with a regular length/width (6", 52") Chisos w/ 2oz overfill, and the bag comes up to about my forehead.Jan 22, 2012 at 7:12 pm #1828294
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Extra quilt width really helps cut back on drafts. So does a bivy. I also suspect that a pad with bigger side baffles will help prevent drafts by keeping the edges of the quilt better tucked, and it's looking like I will try this out a lot this winter.Jan 22, 2012 at 7:31 pm #1828301
I used a Katabatic Blackwelder on Kilimanjaro, and it was fine even at Kibo Hut camp (15,500 feet). I was sleeping in a tent (MSR Asgard), using a pad that the porters provided so I don't know much about it since the label had worn off, but it was quite comfortable. The rest of the group was astonished by how light it was for a zero degree setup. :)Feb 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm #1835317
I'm taking the plunge into winter quilting, but needed some practice. I slept out this weekend in the snow where I was under a tarp, used a down air mat, and slept with my insulating layer on. It got down to ~20F.
With my 15*F bag unzipped as a quilt, I was warm enough to get a decent sleep, but not really "warm and cozy."
I think my mistake was not having enough insulation around my head. I was wearing a fleece balaclava and a generic wool beanie with ear flaps. My head felt warm, but that's probably because my body was MAKING it stay warm and possibly robbing the rest of my body of some warmth in the process. Does this sound about right?
I'm hoping that adding a nice down hood/balaclava will make winter sleeping much more enjoyable.Feb 7, 2012 at 10:27 am #1835770
"My head felt warm, but that's probably because my body was MAKING it stay warm and possibly robbing the rest of my body of some warmth in the process. Does this sound about right?"
More or less, yes.
"I'm hoping that adding a nice down hood/balaclava will make winter sleeping much more enjoyable."
I use one, and it has worked well for me. On my trip this weekend, the weak point ended up being my pad. It's a Nemo Zor, which has done well so far, but the snow was beyond its limit. Hence, a NewAir XTherm is on my list now…Feb 7, 2012 at 10:30 am #1835772
Rakesh, which balaclava do you use? And isn't that XTherm just incredible?Feb 7, 2012 at 10:48 am #1835785
I use the warmer of the two that Katabaic sells, though I've forgotten its name. I got it along with one of their Blackwelder quilts.
And yes, the XTherm sounds VERY promising, almost too good to be true!
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