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    Doug Wolfe
    BPL Member

    @wolfie2nd

    I have been kicking around the idea of getting a quilt an was wondering if some of you guys would throw out some pros an cons of of cold weather quilt?
    I'm currently using a mummy bag and on cold nights I've got the draw strings pulled and balled up inside.
    So I'm looking for everyones thoughts.

    #1826159
    Paul Hope
    Member

    @paulhope

    Doug,

    You pretty much just stated the con with quilts and that is that in the winter, the simple "tucking" method just isn't sufficient, but of course YMMV. For me it was just an unpleasant night sleeps when the temp dipped to the low single digits and the winds were gusting to 50mph and there was just no way to keep out those drafts efficiently.

    I use a quilt in the 3-seasons and a mummy in the winter– there is no way I would go back to a quilt for winters in Colorado at 11K.

    If you live in a milder winter climate, then you could probably get away with using a quilt year round.

    #1826164
    Doug Wolfe
    BPL Member

    @wolfie2nd

    Well you pretty much made my mind up for me.. forget the draft! Thanks for saving me some coin!

    #1826167
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    If you're going to use a quilt in the winter, it needs to be quite a wide one so you can easily get it tucked it/rolled around you, even if you are wearing a ton of extra layers. It can be done, but if you go with a generous width quilt, then you're not saving much weight over a normal bag, so you have to really prefer quilts. I do prefer sleeping in quilts (weight aside) but in the winter I still prefer to security/simplicity of a bag. With that said, I don't own a bag and I've been using a quilt so far this winter and it's been fine. It also hasn't been that cold (ie. no colder than 20F when I've been out).

    #1826171
    Doug Wolfe
    BPL Member

    @wolfie2nd

    Last weekend I experienced 6° at night with 15-20 mph wind.

    #1826206
    Diplomatic Mike
    Member

    @mikefaedundee

    Locale: Under a bush in Scotland

    As others have said, the quilt must be wide enough. Trying to balance a narrow strip of down on top of you is simply stupid.
    Even in warmer weather, the quilt needs to be wide enough to stop drafts.
    I use a Nunatak Arc Specialist down to around freezing, then a Katabatic Sawatch Wide when the temp drops lower. Even though the weight savings aren't that big with a wider quilt, it's worth it to me for the freedom it gives.
    I HATE mummy bags.

    #1826293
    Don Selesky
    Spectator

    @backslacker

    First, if I'm out in the winter I try to stay out of the wind by using some kind of shelter or bivy. That way strong winds don't blast the sleeping bag all night long.

    I will use a quilt in the winter to save weight, specifically a Nunatak Arc Expedition quilt. I tried it last month down to about 15F. At first I was having issues with drafts getting in around the edges. I had the quilt straps running under my pad, but when I switched to having them directly under me the drafts stopped and I was quite warm.

    Of course, you need some kind of down balaclava with a quilt in lieu of the normal hood on a sleeping bag.

    #1826325
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    What Mike said about *narrow* strip of down!
    Yes, we use quilts in winter. Requirements:
    Wide enough
    A good head cover
    *Good* shelter from wind
    A *good* mat underneath
    A good dinner

    Cheers

    #1826331
    Aaron
    BPL Member

    @aaronufl

    In cold weather, I prefer a mummy bag. In spring, summer, and fall situations I can get away with a quilt, but I prefer a bag for lack of fiddle factor and drafts when the temps drop and the wind starts blowing.

    #1826333
    Jeff M.
    BPL Member

    @catalyst

    I'm curious, how wide is wide enough for those of you using quilts in winter?

    #1826334
    Charles Henry
    Member

    @chuckie_cheese

    Locale: Arizona and British Columbia

    Tucking the quilt in is important.

    I have a Katabatic gear quilt the Palisade wide 6', and it has a very good attachment system with multiple "latches". I toss about but I find the system very good for attaching me to the quilt. I would say I would still prefer a sleeping bag for warmth but only by a very small margin that is not normally worth the quilt's advantages.

    I think what is important is the sleeping pad and R rating. I have no problems with the quilt itself but the ground can leach alot warmth with my Synmat UL at 20 degrees.

    #1826340
    BlackHatGuy
    Spectator

    @sleeping

    Locale: The Cascades

    "I'm curious, how wide is wide enough for those of you using quilts in winter?"

    Well now, that depends on how wide a person is…… ;-)

    #1826375
    Joe Clement
    BPL Member

    @skinewmexico

    Locale: Southwest

    I smell a fat joke inbound………..

    #1826488
    Jeff M.
    BPL Member

    @catalyst

    "Well now, that depends on how wide a person is…… ;-)"

    I thought about going there… :) How about for a 5'5" 155 lbs guy with around a 38" chest? I've been thinking of making a winter quilt but not quite sure how wide to go. It seems like the commercially available ones are around 58".

    #1826494
    BlackHatGuy
    Spectator

    @sleeping

    Locale: The Cascades

    At your size, 58" would be more than fine. I'm bigger than you, once had a Nunatak BackCountry Blanket, which is 61" at the shoulder and 51" at the hip, and I could easily wrap that thing around me nice and snug.

    But what I'd do is simply put on what you'd normally be sleeping in, lay down on the floor on your back or side (depending on how you sleep), have your wife/a friend take a tape measure and fairly loosely drape it around you at your widest point (should be shoulders, unless you've had children…..), add a few inches for tuck, and you've got your width at the shoulders! At least, it seems like that would work.

    #1826570
    Donna C
    BPL Member

    @leadfoot

    Locale: Middle Virginia

    That's pretty much how I had mine measured and made from Nunatak. It's worked out just fine. IIRC, my widest part of the quilt is 57". I can tuck snug if I need to, but haven't had the need. Just make sure you don't let yourself get wider!

    #1828207
    Doug Wolfe
    BPL Member

    @wolfie2nd

    So what length should I get if I'm 5'6" 180 lbs? Do you think I could pull a 6' wide over my head?? I think I'm going to take the plunge….

    #1828293
    Christopher Yi
    Spectator

    @traumahead

    Locale: Cen Cal

    I'm 5'8", about 175lbs, and with a regular length/width (6", 52") Chisos w/ 2oz overfill, and the bag comes up to about my forehead.

    #1828294
    drowning in spam
    Member

    @leaftye

    Locale: SoCal

    Extra quilt width really helps cut back on drafts. So does a bivy. I also suspect that a pad with bigger side baffles will help prevent drafts by keeping the edges of the quilt better tucked, and it's looking like I will try this out a lot this winter.

    #1828301
    Rakesh Malik
    Member

    @tamerlin

    Locale: Cascadia

    I used a Katabatic Blackwelder on Kilimanjaro, and it was fine even at Kibo Hut camp (15,500 feet). I was sleeping in a tent (MSR Asgard), using a pad that the porters provided so I don't know much about it since the label had worn off, but it was quite comfortable. The rest of the group was astonished by how light it was for a zero degree setup. :)

    #1835317
    Travis Leanna
    BPL Member

    @t-l

    Locale: Wisconsin

    I'm taking the plunge into winter quilting, but needed some practice. I slept out this weekend in the snow where I was under a tarp, used a down air mat, and slept with my insulating layer on. It got down to ~20F.

    With my 15*F bag unzipped as a quilt, I was warm enough to get a decent sleep, but not really "warm and cozy."

    I think my mistake was not having enough insulation around my head. I was wearing a fleece balaclava and a generic wool beanie with ear flaps. My head felt warm, but that's probably because my body was MAKING it stay warm and possibly robbing the rest of my body of some warmth in the process. Does this sound about right?

    I'm hoping that adding a nice down hood/balaclava will make winter sleeping much more enjoyable.

    #1835770
    Rakesh Malik
    Member

    @tamerlin

    Locale: Cascadia

    "My head felt warm, but that's probably because my body was MAKING it stay warm and possibly robbing the rest of my body of some warmth in the process. Does this sound about right?"

    More or less, yes.

    "I'm hoping that adding a nice down hood/balaclava will make winter sleeping much more enjoyable."

    I use one, and it has worked well for me. On my trip this weekend, the weak point ended up being my pad. It's a Nemo Zor, which has done well so far, but the snow was beyond its limit. Hence, a NewAir XTherm is on my list now…

    #1835772
    Travis Leanna
    BPL Member

    @t-l

    Locale: Wisconsin

    Rakesh, which balaclava do you use? And isn't that XTherm just incredible?

    #1835785
    Rakesh Malik
    Member

    @tamerlin

    Locale: Cascadia

    I use the warmer of the two that Katabaic sells, though I've forgotten its name. I got it along with one of their Blackwelder quilts.

    And yes, the XTherm sounds VERY promising, almost too good to be true!

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