Jan 1, 2012 at 9:59 am #1283575
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
A hypothetical question on which I'd appreciate advice:
Let's say I have a firm $1000 budget, and want a new camera. A have an S90 with which I've been quite pleased, but want something which would be more versatile for landscape photography (smaller apertures would be much appreciated), do better at action shots (less lag would be very appreciated), and do high quality HD video.
All three of those are iron-clad must haves. Everything else is gravy. Smallness and toughness would be nice as well.
Have at it folks.Jan 1, 2012 at 10:02 am #1818227
I like my Oly XZ-1 as a high-end p&s but it only does 720p video.
The Sony Nex line would probably fit well if you're ok with having multiple lenses.Jan 1, 2012 at 11:35 am #1818242
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
I will spare you the techy camera talk and just list off a few suggestions and let you do some digging from there. These suggestions keep in mind your recent post on your blog expressing your desire to "bump" things up a notch for 2012 in the production department. Point and shoots aren't going to cut it in the video department, so I didn't suggest any.
Two cameras in particular to consider that all tick your boxes (compact, full HD video 1080/60p, <$1000) :
– Sony NEX5n
– Panasonic Lumix GX1 body paired w/ 20mm f1.7 Lumix lens
*If you want a variety of lenses to choose from and expand in the future, the Lumix series is hard to beat, the 20mm f1.7 pancake lens paired with the GX1 is a tinnnnny setup that would compliment your style and goals well I think. The most comparable compact/fast lens from Sony is the Leica 24mm f1.8 which would run you the cost of the GX1 camera body + 20mm f1.7 lens combo I mentioned and tip your budget. Honestly, I don't think you'll be pleased with the kit lens on the NEX5N, it's a 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 zoom, not at all compact in comparison to the body it sits on, and it doesn't shake a stick at your Canon S90 in low light conditions.Jan 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm #1818264
Give a Canon PowerShot S100 a look see.Jan 1, 2012 at 1:11 pm #1818286
@chriswLocale: Stratford, Ontario
The S90 makes an excellent light weight camera for backpacking.
I have been using one for the last two years for backpacking.
I use Dxo to correct for the optics distortion.
Have you considered a conventional APS DSLR from Canon or Nikon.
A budget of $1000 would get you a body plus kit lens. Look at the
Nikon D5100 and any of the standard zoom lens. Buying into either
a Canon or Nikon DSLR gets you into a huge selection of quality
lenses if you want to expand on the basic kit at a future date.
The modern DSLR is very responsive to use compared to your S90,
more like the SLR of the film era. The DSLR camera is not a
lightweight solution for backpacking, use your S90 for that.
If you are looking to replace the S90 with one camera that meets
all your concerns look at the Sony NEX5 plus a kit lens.Jan 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm #1818300
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CheersJan 1, 2012 at 2:09 pm #1818311
@dirk9827Locale: Pacific Northwest
There are several major photography trade show in the coming weeks and months that will include announcements from major manufacturers, including the much rumored (but isn't it always rumored?) emergence of a Canon mirrorless system to rival the NEXs, m4/3rds, Nikon offerings in that crowded space. There may possibly be some announcement out of Fuji and perhaps even Olympus, although with their troubles, hard to know what we will happen.
The plus side is if that fi you are not in too much of a rush, there will be discounts on current models. But more importantly, there may be more information regarding systems – clearly it's going to be difficult moving forward if there are four or five competing mirrorless lens/body systems of which few are compatible. You are buying a system after all in this space, and if you are going to invest in serious glass, you want to have a roadmap ahead.
The funny thing is that Pentax/Olympus/Sony/Samsung have been cutting into the traditional heavyweights (Nikon, Canon) marketshare in recent years. I have to think that Canon will respond, but like Nikon they are in a difficult spot, not wanting to poach their SLR sales.
DirkJan 1, 2012 at 3:38 pm #1818353
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@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
Thanks for the thoughts everyone. I'm in no rush here, and am not set on any sort of camera. I'll continue to bring the S90 when I really care about size and weight, and if I need to haul a full DSLR to get the job done otherwise, so be it.
I'm not interested in the S100. Consensus seems to be that better video is the only major improvement, and that's not good enough. I find the S90 only going to F8 to be a fairly major limitation as far as controlling shutter speed goes, and won't consider a camera that doesn't go at least to F11 (ideally smaller).
I suppose the question than becomes what is the difference in video quality and functionality between a micro 4/3s, junior DSLR, and a full DSLR (like the 7D).
On a side note, recall that Luc increased both his pack weight and size by 1/3 during the Wilderness Classic last year to haul that darn camera. It was funny to see him and his partner decide to only bring one raft, then add 7 pounds of camera and bag.Jan 1, 2012 at 6:28 pm #1818431
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@cobbermanLocale: Northern Colorado
If you've got the time to wait for more improvements in the m4/3 and EVIL categories by all means wait. But the S90 is a great little camera for the interim. I have both the NEX-5 and the S95. They're different cameras to be sure, but both have their benefits. I haven't done it yet but I've been thinking of getting filter kit available at lensmate http://www.lensmateonline.com/store/s90v2.php. This should fix your issue with getting longer shutter speeds I believe.Jan 1, 2012 at 8:40 pm #1818491
Mike In SocalParticipant
Would you be interested in my Lumix LX3 setup? I won't go into the tech specs of this camera since you can find countless sites with this information. The LX3 is a great landscape photography camera with its 24mm f/2 lens. I rarely find the need to go wider but if you do, there is the wide conversion lens (0.75x) which brings it to 18mm…but you need the lens adapter tube. There are a couple of cool things about the lens adapter tube in spite of it adding size to the camera: 1. you can use filters (I have the multicoated Hoya UV, ND8 and circular polarizer filters) and 2. the lens tube with a filter on it completely protects the lens from getting any dirt or sand in it. I keep the lens tube and UV filter on it all the time. I have all of the above in addition to two spare batteries, 3 lens caps (different types), the charger, original box and manuals.
MikeJan 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm #1818499
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
The Lumix LX3/LX5 is not an improvement nor is it any more capable than the Canon S90 that Dave already has in his possession, they're essentially the same camera.Jan 1, 2012 at 9:06 pm #1818502
I was just looking at this – ended up with an ELPH 300 for a song, rather then a S95/S100/LX5/ect
It seems like there are some incremental increases over the ELPH (incl RAW files) for the above cameras, but that for the cost its the GX2/ect. Fuji has some really nice viewfinder P&S cameras.
The D7000 with the 18-200 lens is a favorite with a lot of the climbing photographers in terms of weight/performance/cost/replacement, D90 might be nice to. You can also run faster lenses with them
For 350ish new w/zoom I really like the GH2 rangefinder type camera, with a pancake its about the size/cost of a LX5 but much better images I'm told from the larger sensor. Neither are pocket cameras like the S90 though.Jan 1, 2012 at 11:27 pm #1818545
Mike In SocalParticipant
"The Lumix LX3/LX5 is not an improvement nor is it any more capable than the Canon S90 that Dave already has in his possession, they're essentially the same camera."
They are and they aren't. The reason I went with the LX3 (and now LX5) is the additional control I have with the camera like setting focus point, choosing from three aspect ratios, hotshoe for flash (although I use mine for a cable release mount when doing time lapse photos). Some people like those extra controls; some don't.
MikeJan 2, 2012 at 9:20 am #1818643
@gregfLocale: Canadian Rockies
If high quality video is very important the best camera would likely be the panasonic gh2. It has been optimised for video along with a bunch of the panasonic lenes. Things like internal focus and power zooms. Most slr lenses have noisy focusing that shows up in video. The gh2 plus the 14-140 lens is 1200 right now but the gh3 is coming out in the nex 3 months so that should push the gh2 into your price point.
The drawback of the gh2 compared to a fullsize slr is focus speed and tracking of moving objects. It would be significantly better than our p&s but not as good as a slr.
I would say that any slr would work for you if you are willing to carry it but i think it would bw worth considering the mirrorless options from nex, u4/3, and nikon before jumping into the bulk of an slr
I noticed you want smaller aperatures for landscapes beyond f8. One thing you run into when going to smaller aperatures is difraction which will reduce your picture quality. It starts to appear between f8 and f11 on 4/3 and f11 and f16 on apsC. An ND filter would be a better approach for longer exposures.Jan 2, 2012 at 11:47 am #1818718
@halfturboLocale: Northernish California
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RickJan 5, 2012 at 7:19 pm #1820502Jan 5, 2012 at 7:51 pm #1820520
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Dondo, that sounds incredible! I wonder how good it will actually be?Jan 6, 2012 at 5:11 am #1820649
@ken_bennettLocale: southeastern usa
The followups I've seen suggest that the actual sensor size of that new Canon is 1/1.5", not "1.5", which is still p+s size. In any case, it's all rumor until Canon makes an announcement.Jan 6, 2012 at 8:00 am #1820704
@dondoLocale: Colorado Rockies
A 1.5" sensor would capture my attention. 1/1.5", not so much. We should all know on Tuesday.
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