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Littlbug Junior initial thoughts, Weber Firestarter Lighter cubes vs. cotton vaseline tacos (Tons of Pics)

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Bryce BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2011 at 6:58 pm

So in preparation for this winter hike:
NE BPL Winter Gathering

I began to consider a wood stove to save weight in the winter while melting snow:
Littlbug vs. Emberlit, and Vargo Hexagon testing

The past few days I tested my new (to me) Littlbug Junior and I freakin’ LOVE it!

Pros:
– Relatively light. It is 5oz on the button (no storage case). My Vargo Ti Hexagon stove is 4.1oz (no case). For this gram weenie, it truly is worth it in the winter because it can crank so much more heat. If I were to carry a wood stove for 3-season, it’d be the Vargo.

– Fast to boil. I’ve boiled .9L in as fast as 4 min in 40-45F temps from the start of the match (not including prep time). In terms of speed to boil and heat output I’d put this stove up against them all.

– Packs down small. It came with a canvas envelope to hold it. It’s definitely going. Going to try and rock a tyvek FedEx envelope, gotta get a hold of one to try out.

– It’s a great warming fire. Granted my tests with my Vargo ti Hexagon were in colder temps, but man does this Littlbug Junior crank some heat.

– It is incredibly easy to feed from the top while I sit on a stump and monitor.

– You can set relatively large sticks in the top of it, and let it feed down as it burns. No you can’t go off for 10 minutes leaving it unattended, but at least I can leave it alone for a few minutes while I baton some more, or siphon water from my pot to my Platypus.

– Flexibility in starting. Some pack the entire Littlbug Junior and light tinder on top, then let it burn down. In this time you can easily boil a cup or two (I boiled near a liter in 4min) and then some. Others light a starter fire then place the littlbug Junior over it, immediately start adding wood, and place their pot on top to start getting heat in to the water ASAP (this is my preferred method).

Cons:
– Soot. This is present with any wood fire, but as someone who doesn’t carry soap and wears contacts, man is this a b*tch to keep my fingers clean. At the very best, I figure my glove liners will be all messed up at the end of the trip. Any suggestions at managing soot welcome (maybe I suck it up and carry a single leather glove)

– Gathering wood. Only time on this trip w/ snow will tell. Maybe it’ll be easy, maybe it’ll be a PIA to gather as much wood as needed to melt snow and cook meals. It certainly was easy enough to find fuel during my tests, but snow will change the game depending on how much. I’ve practiced batoning bigger sticks, and that has worked really well to source dry wood in all conditions.

– Can’t put HUGE sticks in it. The stove works best when not overpacked and having a lot of air circulating in there to get a full burn. I fear with the amount of time this stove will run (melting and then boiling snow), ash buildup from sticks not fully burnt could be a problem in the extreme. Moderate sticks sticks burn great, just fill the top rim of the stove with them and good to go.

Here is the Littlbug Junior w/ a Vargo Outdoors .9L pot:
Jr w/ vargo

Vargo pot is 5.25″ in diameter. The Littlbug Junior is 5.5″ wide. Perfect fit to maximize catching the flames at the base while allowing access to add more wood.

For reference, here is my Samsung TV remote inserted into the stove:
samsung remote

Little thin split wood over a cottonball. W/ something like a cottonball, you can cheat and skip the ~really~ thin kindling:
vqeq4er

After I lighted the cottonball, just placed the Littlbug Jr. over it and off we go with adding fuel:
start of fire

Before you know it, the sucker is ROARING!
before you know it

And once you start admiring the fireball you’ve created, you can stuff the sucker with long sticks, every few minutes you tap them down further. This is where the skills of choosing a big stick to last long vs. too big and incomplete burn comes in. You don’t want thick sticks burning 1/2 way, then ending up in the graveyard of the stove at the bottom. Yeah coals are nice, but complete burns are better.
big sticks

Roaring right along…
ripping

Afterglow…
after glow

The lid on the Vargo pot weighs 1.27oz… tinfoil is a WHOLE lot less. :p
tin foil

I tried feeding sticks through one of the 5 air holes, kinda like an Emberlit stove, but it’s not designed for this. It’s possible with small, thin sticks, but not optimal since the holes are smaller than the Emberlit’s feed hole and you optimal combustion height is above those air holes inside the stove. The Emberlit’s feed hole is higher. In the end, if you want to feed the stove a big stick and let it burn while tapping it in every once in awhile, feeding the sticks from the top is much better. Feeding from the top also allows for higher heat output (advantage in the winter and why this stove consumes fuel pretty fast) as more surface area of the stick is exposed extending down to the bottom of the stove as opposed to the Emberlit setup:
4q4te2q

Firestarter / Tinders

I was experimenting with this ultralight sparker:
SOL FIRE LITE

In the end, it was just so much easier & quicker to rock the mini bic when it was cold out. I think that will be even more important when I’m cold, it’s night time, and I’m exhausted from a long hike. It’ll be good to start the fire quickly. I didn’t want to rock a larger fire starter (with bigger/hotter spark) like a flint and steel or something from Ultimate Survival Technologies as they were heavier than a mini bic.

As for carried tinder… It came down to four items.

1) Alcohol pads. If I used these, they would be multi-use (WIN!) but in the end, they just don’t put out enough flame for winter use (for me).

2) Vaseline Cottonballs. Work great in starting fires, but messy as heck handling something with Vaseline all over them….especially when I’m trying to keep my hands clean (contacts).

3) Vaseline “tacos.” Using a cotton pad, I scoop vaseline inside and wrap them up keep my hands mostly clean, then store them in a Ziploc bag.

4) Weber Firestarter Lighter Cubes. Cheap and light. No mess.
(times, flame size, knifing it)

Not shown here, but the Weber cube goes up “like a match.” The vaso takes a second or two of the mini bic lighter, but catches fine eventually (no I’m being lazy, and not fluffing out the cotton pad). This is after a minute of burn time or so:
stronger start

And a few more minutes:
q2ve

This is near the end of the weber’s life:
weber end

The 1/4 cube of the Weber (2g) lasted 4:37. The 4g Vaso “taco” lasted 6:24. Both are more than enough to get a fire going…piece of cake. I’ll be carrying the Weber cubes…no fuss, burns a good long time…AND if I want to, I stick it on to the end of my knife and can place it lit, right in the middle the Junior’s firebox if it is light/decently packed to start the fire (but I use the other method to start the fire as mentioned above).

Hope this has helped anyone else who is as interested in wood stoves as I as of late!

USA Duane Hall BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2011 at 7:11 pm

The other day, I forgot to mention, how is wood smoke going to effect fellow bpers? Are you going to be downwind of them? A word I'm not sure what its meaning is. Batoning? Cutting a shorter stick or exposing wood by whittling the bark off? Whittling the end(s) off for a faster catch? Eh?
Duane

Bryce BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2011 at 7:26 pm

Well it ~is~ camping so a little smoke is par for the course. :p We’ll prob have a regular campfire in a designated spot as well. I will have a Mora knife with me, here is a video of batoning wood with one:

different mode Mora, but splitting wood

Dan Yeruski BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Wood smoke will turn their hearts to using wood to cook and toss their canisters into the garbage cans. Wood, the fuel choice of die hard outdoorsmen. That's me, LOL rolls on floor.

My recent find this past year was the Weber charcoal ighter cubes. I like them so much, they are now my choice of starter. I like "easy"

Vertical stacking and top lighting is my goto method. I like "easy"

Bryce BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2011 at 7:47 pm

I HATE the smoke. Heck my hands smelled for 3 days straight after testing out my Vargo Ti Hexagon Stove for a day or two. haha. It gets into everything…including expensive UL backpacking clothing. :(

The Weber cubes are def. awesome…so awesome such that that I won’ carry a wood stove during three season backpacking. One full cube (not 1/4 like I use as a fire starter) will boil 1.5 cups and have enough left to warm oatmeal breakfast.

I only carry a few Weber cubes and my alcohol setup which is much lighter:

My 3 season setup

In 3-season backpacking if I want a fire to play with, I’ll just use a fire pit.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm

I agree with Duane. That is hardware cloth with a rectangular pattern. Chicken wire has more of a hexagonal pattern and is typically a lighter gauge.

–B.G.–

Bryce BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Always thought they were one in the same. Is Chicken wire lighter? :o

PostedJan 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm

I love my CC Sidewinder/Inferno wood gassifier stove for winter. Light and HOT!

Set it up on a stomped snow platform with wrist-sized sticks for a base beneath the Ti bottom plate and it's great for cooking or melting snow.

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 2:58 pm

Chicken wire is a lot lighter than hardware cloth.

Chicken wire has a larger grid of hexagons in lighter gauge wire than hardware cloth. Per area, maybe 1/4 the weight of hardware cloth. Maybe even less.

When you're next in farm or ranch country, stop by a feed store or, better yet, a full-on farm supply store. They have things that aren't at Home Depot. Electrical fences that work on 2,000-pound animals, for one.

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:00 pm

I really like the idea of firing your stove on TV remotes. LOL. I'll start snagging them during hotel stays.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:02 pm

"Chicken wire is a lot lighter than hardware cloth."

Chicken wire is only strong enough to keep the chickens in and the foxes out. I think chickens can count up to only five, so anything with more sides freaks them out.

Hardware cloth might be strong enough to keep the sheep in and the grizzlies out.

–B.G.–

Bryce BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:08 pm

The Littlbug Jr. seemed to do better in testing than the CC stuff, but it is only a wood stove, not dual use. Lots of good choices out there to play with fire. :)

BPL Tests

Bryce BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Everyone always tries to describe how big a stick they can ram in their wood stove, I thought the shot of the remote was a good way to show it instead of describing it. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Bryce, I thought it was a good idea to give a sense of scale. It was also amusing if taken literally. A deck of cards, a $100 bill and an iPhone are other well-known objects (that you probably wouldn't burn for real).

Bryce BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:22 pm

At the rate I buy gear my GF thinks I must be burning $100 bills for fun… :p

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:30 pm

1) "At the rate I buy gear my GF thinks I must be burning $100 bills for fun"

2) April Fools is coming up.

3) Currency copied on a laser printer comes out looking scary real.

I wouldn't suggest getting the Secret Service after you, but if you combine those three ideas, I think you can see where it leads.

"Honey, look! I found a great new UL fuel for my BP stove, Watch!"

Some GFs can take a joke. YMMV.

USA Duane Hall BPL Member
PostedJan 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Bryce, its good to see younger folks showing some interest and drawing some good conclusions on bp gear so forth. Ribbing may take place too. :)
Duane

Jeffs Eleven BPL Member
PostedDec 20, 2012 at 10:33 am

It's like a year late, but yeah! Right on, Bryce. Great write-up!!

Just what I needed to see of the LittlBug Jr.

Thanks- and good tips too

PostedDec 20, 2012 at 3:15 pm

Hey Bryce,

I have a Littlebug senior that I use car and paddle camping. I think I've had it for like 8 years or something. A great quick way to get a cook fire going.

The big advantage with the senior as opposed to the junior is that you can walk away from it once you get it started and have some thicker sticks mixed it.

It also allows you to let the burn settle to embers before you cook. This means less smoke and allows cooking over the open fire, then after cooking, throw some more sticks in for warmth and to heat water to fill hot water bottles:-)

It isn't worth the weight for backpacking though, except for group use.

I have also kayak camped with a full sized traditional Kelly Kettle. Great for boiling water, but again too heavy for backpacking.

I loved being able to load it with wood and water before I went to bed and light it when I get up so I could have a hot drink right away on cold mornings.

OK, enough ranting.
Also consider the Titanium Nomad stove, but I think it may even be sootier than the Littlebug.

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