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30~35F superlight sleeping bag options

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PostedDec 19, 2011 at 4:10 pm

I'm looking into a new down bag that will be used for warmer weather (above freezing) or in combo with MLD quilt and/or puffy clothes for a bit lower)
It will replace my existing 650FP cheap down bag that is too heavy.
i have looked at all the "conventional" ones (golite, WM, FF, Marmot…) but they are all pretty heavy
My thoughts right now are:
1) Nunatak subalpinist (maybe with 950FP option and a slight overfill)roughly 500gram
http://www.nunatakusa.com/site07/other_bags/subalpinist.htm
2) peter hutchinson minimus with 900FP option and slight overstuff ~500gram
(http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/product_info.php?cat=26&products_id=31)
3) katabatic palisade 17.5-20oz depending on girth
4) nunatak arc specialist 16oz

these are all great options (and $$$) would love to hear thoughts or if there are options i missed

Mike

Alex H BPL Member
PostedDec 19, 2011 at 4:22 pm

I have just come back from a desert trip with lows in the mid 30's with no issues. Took it down to 27 degrees with a down vest. 16 oz. for a regular, 17+ for a large.

PostedDec 19, 2011 at 4:31 pm

24 oz for a regular. I have used mine down to low 30s and high 20s without supplemental insulation other than my regular base layer. It is a widebody but it is about as light as they get for this temp range. If you get the Alpinist, please post a review. The center zip seems an attractive feature.

. . BPL Member
PostedDec 19, 2011 at 4:38 pm

+1 on Highlite

(I even have an extra one if interested in a slightly used bag – PM me)

Stephen Barber BPL Member
PostedDec 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm

WM Highlight, 1 lb

Marmot Plasma 30, 1 lb 4 oz

The highlight is a bit cheaper, and looks like it would fit your requirements a bit better. Both are great bags.

PostedDec 19, 2011 at 5:51 pm

I just recently bought the Katabatic Palisade, and I have nothing but good things to say about it so far. The construction is flawless, and the design is very well thought out. The attachment system is quite effective too.

The thing I'm really stoked about though, is the cut. The foot box is great, there's a sort of elastic-like trim around the edge of the back opening that sort of hugs the sides of the quilt in, and the draft tube is a very nice size. I'm totally smitten by this thing, (as well as I should be, it's by far the most expensive piece of gear I own). Of course everyone speaks very highly of WM and Nunatak, etc. as well, but I'm putting in my recommendation for Katabatic.

Ryan C BPL Member
PostedDec 19, 2011 at 6:14 pm

Surprised no one has mentioned the WM Summerlite at 19oz. Personally I think the baffled construction and full length zipper are worth the extra few ounces over a Highlite. It is my go-to bag for above freezing.

PostedDec 19, 2011 at 6:15 pm

Another option instead of the Palisade is a Chisos with 2 oz overfill. Picked one up off here (thanks John!), weighs 16.7 oz with 9.1 oz of down. It's slightly narrower and the overfill makes the bag slightly shorter, but the regular is perfect for me at 5'8" and about 175 lbs. The bag comes up to half my face.

Haven't got to try it out in the field yet, it's gonna be replacing my 33 oz Rab 15* bag 1/2 zip (more like 1/3rd). I usually sleep in a tee and shorts, I figure I'll put my down hoody/pants to use with the Chisos.

PostedDec 19, 2011 at 6:43 pm

"Surprised no one has mentioned the WM Summerlite at 19oz. Personally I think the baffled construction and full length zipper are worth the extra few ounces over a Highlite. It is my go-to bag for above freezing."

+1

Definitely better than a Highlite. I've used both, and the Summerlite wins hands down. Baffles, as opposed to sewn thru quilting, makes a significant difference.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedDec 19, 2011 at 6:54 pm

I own a Pallisade and couldn't be happier, the construction is top notch and the rating I believe is conservative (albeit I sleep a little on the warm side)

I had a Summerlite, nice bag- just cut too narrow for me (6' 190#)- rating was accurate, if the bag fits it's definitely a viable choice

Mike

PostedDec 20, 2011 at 3:05 am

Well i might have not been clear enough:
Most of my trips tend to be in Autumn (for some reason…dunno) and the temps i hit are normally AROUND freezing so could be 40-35 one night but easily 27-30 another. Now i always take at least a synthetic jacket (like montane prism or Rab generator) and warm undies and sometimes lightweight down pants….but my experience (though limited) has been that a 40F bag is a bit iffy when you drop to 25-27 and obviously this hits you when you are most vulnerable – at 2:53AM when your body has cooled off and it pitch dark so getting up and just starting to hike is not a real option.

I thus feel that for me there is a need for a bag rated around 32 which would then i assume reasonably easy make it down to 25 with some help.

– Can you guys comment on how you setup quilts for these temps (what do you wear on head?
– anyone with experience with the nunatak sub alpinist – i like the center zip idea and for 50USD more than the summerlite thought it might be nice

Mike

James Marco BPL Member
PostedDec 20, 2011 at 6:01 am

Most bags rated at around freezing are good. I have heard several times that the sumerlite was a bit slim. It doesn't adjust as well with interior layering as something a little fuller cut. IE with thicker layers inside, it can cause loss of lofting and insulating value. Soo, at a guess, there are faster diminishing returns with a Summerlite than with a larger girthed bag. Depending on your body size, this could cause you to choose differently.
But, I think I would choose the lightest GOOD bag rated at or about 32F. I am often out in fall, too, and I use a 40F rated bag and been down to 25F with layering (down jacket, smartwool mids, wool socks) and a Nightlite pad. Colder I wouldn't want to go.

The center zippers can be a problem. Especially at colder temps(<20F.) Because the draught tube does not tend to hang over the zipper, as with a side zip, I believe it will be easily displaced. A fromt zip would need some kind of velcro to keep it in place and working. The extra seaming with the zipper/draught tube could also lead to some cold spots right over my core. Probably fine to around freezing, though.

Quilts start loosing their appeal at around 32F. Though there are some that swear by them at colder temps. I find them to be quite draughty with that blast of cold air as I roll waking me in chilly temps… Nice at warmer temps, though. Often the wife and I will zip our bags together on top and use them as a quilt. Together, we have been down to ~20F with the 40F rated bags, comfortably. At 32F just a good pad and hat is all that is required to use a quilt. I often bring a knitted cap I can pull down over my eyes and ears, otherwise they will come off. Being somewhat thin on top, I resorted to this over the past few years. With a quilt like setup, I often use a neoair AND Nightlite pad.

"Using" vs "Planning to use" clothing to stretch a bags rating is iffy. If you are planning on below rating temps, this is likely a mistake if you have not purchased a bag, yet. Generally, weight vs thermal efficiency are lighter for the warmth with a bag rated at the planned on temp. Dan Durston (sp) wrote a good post on this a while back. (hmmmm, I don't find a link offhand…) A 7oz jacket will only supply about 2oz of down. Overstuffing 2oz will cost less, work as well for sleeping, and be lighter. You can extend this to general application to include a better bag to start with and eliminate the jacket. If you need the jacket, anyway, then include this in your girth measurement, add 5-10F to the bag's rating and bring both a bag and jacket. Not wearing your cloths in a bag at night will remove any insulating value. BUT, if they are damp from sweat or water, you should not wear them inside the bag. I NEVER plan on hiking cloths as sleeping cloths, it is too "iffy" to be reliable. Dry socks and dry long johns (an EN rating test model) goes in the pack with the bag. Sh!t happens, though. I have had to wear them once in a while for hiking.

Doing this allows me to save money on the number of bags I need. I have two bags: a 40F and a 0F. I don't need a 20F bag. I don't need a 30F bag. I simply use the 40F bag, and layer as necessary, though I pay about 8oz-16oz in additional weight at those temps. At <20F, I use a 0F bag, too warm at 10F, but with a jacket and layering good to about -10F. So, I skip a summer bag (>40F), a cool temp bag (between 20F and 30F), and a very cold bag (0F to -25F, I use both bags together.) Again, YMMV. But, I pay in extra weight at those temps…as much as a pound or two greater than what is necessary.

Note: I open my 40F bag into a guilt for >50F.

Not to start some arguement, but quilts often require a bit more ground warmth because they don't "seal" like a bag does. So, a heavier pad is needed for me. YMMV. The trade off in extra weight between a bit more pad and a heavier hat, and, a full bag?? That IS the big question…Your answer will be based on your own conclusions, often testing is the only way to determine this.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedDec 20, 2011 at 6:32 am

for headgear I bring a R1 balaclava, have been comfy to below freezing w/ this (evidenced by ice in the water bottles :))- weight is under 2 oz and I use it around camp (or even hiking rolled up) as well when chilly

I also limit my quilt use to "summer", when temps routinely drop into the 20's or below, I switch to a mummy bag (Helium or Lithium depending)

I personally haven't found the need for more pad w/ a quilt- I use a Neoair and have been comfy w/ either a quilt or bag to below freezing, if it's routinely going to be into the 20's a opt for more pad regardless of quilt or bag

Hikin’ Jim BPL Member
PostedDec 20, 2011 at 11:13 am

+1 on the Summerlite. It is a bit slim, but I’m a side sleeper, which seems to help. If you’re a back sleeper, it might be a bit narrow. I’m 6’0″, 210# for reference. (not exactly slender in other words)

I’ve slept comfortably down into the 20’s F. Inside it, I wear a down hoodie sweater, a light weight fleece cap, socks, and a base layer (mid weight capilene). My legs have however been cold a couple of times down in the 20’s.

HJ
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