Oct 29, 2011 at 3:33 pm #1281289
I need some math help. I'm in the planning stages of making a pyramid. I'd like to make a 9'x9' pyramid with a pole height of 6'. I'm going to sew it ala MLD with the trapezoid shape and attach a small triangle on top. I'm having trouble determining the length of the sides of the small top triangle portion.
The trapezoid part will have a base of 9'(width of the pyramid) with a height of around 5' (the width of the fabric). The dimensions of the entire triangle panel (small triangle + trapezoid) are 9' base, 7.5' height, and 8.75'(8.746…) sides. Can any math whiz out there help me calculate the length of the sides of the small triangle or even just the length of the top of the trapezoid?Oct 29, 2011 at 4:33 pm #1796467
Mark FowlerBPL Member
Your trapezoids are actually two right triangles possibly with the top truncated. Halve the base to 4.5ft and then it is just length of hypotenuse = sqrt(x^2 + y^2). Once you have the ratio between the hypotenuse and the appropriate side you can truncate the top of the triangle or just draw a line at the appropriate point perpendicular to the y side.
You need to first calculate the hypotenuse of a triangle with the pole (assuming it is vertical) as the y axis and the distance from the base of the pole to the middle of the fabric side to get the y axis height for the fabric.Oct 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm #1796515
I think I've done part of that already. I'm still not quite clear on how to calculate the top triangle part. I've included a quick sketch with dimensions below. It's the sides of the shaded in triangle that I'm trying to calculate. Thanks!Oct 29, 2011 at 8:08 pm #1796517
Lance MBPL Member
Here is one of several ways to calculate the sides.
One side is given as 2.5
Second side (small side) is:
4.5 / 7.5 = x / 2.5
x = 1.5
Third side (hypotenuse) is:
sqrt(1.5^2 + 2.5^2) =2.92
side ,big ,small
side 1 ,4.5 ,1.5
side 2 ,7.5 ,2.5
side 3 ,8.75 ,2.92
Hope this helps. I'm pretty sure I didn't screw up.Oct 29, 2011 at 8:31 pm #1796521
That does help a lot. I think this was one of the few times I couldn't find the answer through a google search and it was driving me nuts. It's been too long since I've done math.Oct 30, 2011 at 5:41 am #1796578
Here is the shaded area that you requested…BTW if your 90" ( 7'-6") tall and your base is 108" (9'-0") wide your sides will actually be 104 15/16" (8'-8 15/16")
Base = 36"
Sides = 35"Oct 30, 2011 at 3:02 pm #1796731
Paul McLaughlinBPL Member
I always like to draw the thing to scale – or full size if you have big enough paper and room to do it. Even if this is just to double-check the calcs, it is worthwhile.Oct 30, 2011 at 5:44 pm #1796805
I agree with Jonathan and Lance
Side of tent has a base of 9' and a height of 7.5'
Little traingle on top has a height of 2.5 feet, so
base of little triangle / 2.5' = 9' / 7.5'
so base of little triangle = 2.5 ' * 9' / 7.5' = 3'
similarlarly, side of little triangle = 8.75' * 2.5' / 7.5' = 2.91' = 34 15/16" (how barbaric that we have to convert to power of two fractions)Nov 1, 2011 at 11:50 am #1797449
Kevin BeedenBPL Member
Google for the geometrical concept of 'similar triangles'.
Since your shaded triangle is the top of the bigger triangle, they are 'similar' (all the angles are the same), and thus all dimensions of the smaller triangle can be simply scaled from the dimensions of the larger triangle, assuming you have one measurement on the smaller triangle to provide a scaling ratio. In this case, you do: 2.5/7.5, or one third.Nov 1, 2011 at 1:05 pm #1797471
Eric LundquistBPL Member
@cobbermanLocale: Northern Colorado
If I understand the design correctly, I think this image will provide you with the right dimensions for your project.Nov 1, 2011 at 6:54 pm #1797578
Very cool drawing Eric. That looks correct. Thanks everyone for help on the calculations. I've been going back and forth between wanting a 9×9 and 10×10. I'd like it to fit 3 people comfortably. Any suggestions on what size I should go with? It doesn't look like moving up to a 10×10 adds too much more weight from what I can tell.Nov 1, 2011 at 7:52 pm #1797600
Bill FornshellBPL Member
@bfornshellLocale: Southern Texas
I did something like you are talking about a few years ago. My design approach was a bit different.
This thread shows what I was doing and some comments:Nov 4, 2011 at 12:42 pm #1798586
Hey Eric what did you use to make this design? Program wise.Nov 4, 2011 at 3:24 pm #1798619
Eric LundquistBPL Member
@cobbermanLocale: Northern ColoradoNov 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm #1798678
I'm sure you know this, but to be on the safe side:
Don't forget the seam allowances, 3/4" at each edge to make 1/2" flat-felled seams. Also remember that the upper triangle lower edge has to be a little wider than the top edge of the lower trapezoid. That is, you have to make the upper triangle and the lower trapezoid taller and extend the angles of the sides to match.
Also, when the seam is sewn the overlap can look a little funny. You'll have to trim it to get a straight edge. If you are doing a catenary cut then you'll be trimming it plenty.Nov 5, 2011 at 6:50 am #1798757
If you're a true wizard you'll get the seam allowance right and the edges will line up after you sew the two pieces togetherNov 5, 2011 at 8:31 am #1798780
Alas, a wizard I am not…
One more thing, don't forget about 1.5" extra at the bottom for a doubled 3/4" hem.Nov 5, 2011 at 8:48 am #1798787
I just use 1/2" seam allowance
Fold over twice for 1/4" hem or flat felled seamNov 5, 2011 at 2:32 pm #1798879
On my 11' pyramid I used a doubled 3/4" hem to give a good base for all the tie-outs and things.
I also used 1/2" flat-felled seams for lots of strength in wind or under snow loads. This means a 3/4" seam allowance on both parts.
I suppose I overdo it, but the difference in weight is negligible, and it's easier to sew the larger seams for us clumsy folks with failing eyesight…
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