Jul 27, 2011 at 5:35 am #1277255al bBPL Member
I wondered why there are several pyramid tarp/tents but no tetrahedron style tarp/tents (one less side, so perhaps lighter/less sewing).
The pole could be biased to the narrow end (ie made from unequal triangles).Jul 27, 2011 at 7:24 am #1763538Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
You need maybe a 3 x 7 feet area for a person to sleep on
If you have a rectangular base tent you can more easily allocate 3 x 7 foot areas for people
But, I suppose you could have two people with their feet at one triangle point
I wonder if it would be lighter? Probably a little.
When you set up a pyramid, you have to eyeball that the base is square, or two of the ridges will be slack, with tetrahedron you wouldn't have that problem. Also, if the four corners of the pyramid aren't all on the same plane, then the tent doesn't set up right, with a tetrahedron you wouldn't have that problem – sort of like a three legged stool doesn't rock.Jul 27, 2011 at 11:10 am #1763645Kevin BeedenBPL Member
A three-sided structure provides a poorer use of material for available volume than one with four sides.
I once considered the optimal shape for sidewall weight vs grate area for a wood burner (i.e. 3 sides, four sides, 5 sides…). It turns out that it's a circular grate/sidewall plan (i.e. an infinite number of 'sides')…Jul 27, 2011 at 12:36 pm #1763682Tohru OhnukiMember
@erdferkelLocale: S. California
"A three-sided structure provides a poorer use of material for available volume than one with four sides.
I once considered the optimal shape for sidewall weight vs grate area for a wood burner (i.e. 3 sides, four sides, 5 sides…). It turns out that it's a circular grate/sidewall plan (i.e. an infinite number of 'sides')…"
So a yurt is best… Hmm, how to make a UL yurt…Jul 27, 2011 at 12:36 pm #1763683David OlsenSpectator
@owareLocale: Steptoe Butte
Made this one for Dean Potter. single point suspension, toss your climbing gear in the
corners to guy it out. Very quick to set up. To be used on a ledge.
Also there is volume and their is usable volume. If sleeping people were yurt shaped, (no offense to those who might be) then a yurt shape would make sense. When you increase
the number of sides you also make a correct set up more difficult if it is a floorless
shelter. Things go all pear shaped.Jul 27, 2011 at 12:48 pm #1763688David OlsenSpectator
@owareLocale: Steptoe Butte
I also once had a 3 sided mid made by mistake. Someone out there bought and then resold it on bpl and posted pictures. It was olive colored. Maybe they might comment on how it has worked for them.Jul 28, 2011 at 3:08 am #1763950Jul 28, 2011 at 5:15 am #1763962Kevin BeedenBPL Member
> So a yurt is best… Hmm, how to make a UL yurt…
> Things go all pear shaped.
There is, of course, a big difference between the requirements for a wood stove grate and for a shelter…
On the other hand, if you look at a pear shape, it's actually quite a good representation of the optimal shape for a human shelter. Provided your upper body is at the fat end. The thin part of the pear accommodates the legs, and the fatter part allows room to move the arms about, and generally do stuff…
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