What does your Zpacks Hexamid Twin Tent weigh? Doesn’t make sense to me.

Zpacks uses nano mesh which is 0.7oz not 1.0oz like noseeum

Not sure what type of netting the Cub Den 1.5 has, but is that .7oz per yard? meter?

Even, so, the Cub Den 1.5 netting is only 12-18 inches as it rolls under my polycro ground sheet and the entire middle is open vs. the fully floored Hexamid Twin. That's a lot of material/weight to make up. And that still does account for the extra CF that gives the Hexamid twin the extra space and then the CF cup to hold the rear pole in place. Additional thoughts?

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I’m not sure where you’re going with this, but the review at this link says his weighed 10.6oz with tent, stuff sack, guy lines and seam sealing.

In a nutshell… how can the hexamid twin weigh less when it uses more (of the same) material and has better coverage?

I don't doubt the listed weights on Zpacks websites, they've always been truthful, I just don't see where they are "saving" weight over my Cub Den 1.5 when they both are similar designs and the Cub Den 1.5 is slightly smaller and uses less CF & Bug Netting.

That's all. :)

i dont have mine anymore, but if memory serves me correctly my twin tent, with cuben floor (the largest one), and beak and lines,and stuff sack, was about a lb.

Ok thanks for the info… so trying to back track:

16oz total
– 5.1 oz Twin Cuben Groundsheet (1.26 CF)
– 0.4 oz spectra guy lines
– 0.2 oz stuff sack
– 0.9 oz extended beak

= 9.4 oz for just the seam sealed tent.

That's even lighter than what they quote on the website. :o

Ugh…

I believe the guy lines are included in Joe's weights. I could be mistaken, but mine weighs 3.6oz in the stuff sack (which is tarp, guylines, and a thorough seam sealing job).

In my experience, Joe's weights are dead on.

I think your Cub Den's design is more different than you think.

The guy lines are included in his weights as well as broken out, but to compare apples to apples I took the guy lines out of the equation. And I agree, Joe's weights are generally spot on in my experience.

From Joe's website for the Hexamid Twin….

"Weight:

The tent itself weighs about 9.4 oz (266 grams). The tarp by itself weighs 3.9 oz (111 grams).
The included 35 feet of bright yellow Z-Line spectra guy line adds .4 oz (11 grams).
The included cuben fiber medium size stuff sack adds .2 oz (6 grams). Tarps include a .12 oz small size stuff sack.
The included Sil Net seam sealer when applied adds about .5 oz (11 grams). You will have extra left over for other projects.
Total weight is just 10.5 ounces (298 grams) including the tent, seam sealing, guy lines, and a stuff sack.

A ground sheet and 8 (or 9) stakes are sold separately, and are not included in the price or weight."

I'm not being sarcastic, I'd love to see where other BPL members see the differences that would favor a lower weight for the Hexamid Twin. To reiterate, here are the differences I see:

– Hexamid is sewn and seal sealed, Cub Den is flued/taped. (which process is lighter? I don't know)

– Hexamid has bigger floor plan (I'd think this would require more fabric and thus more weight, but perhaps his design is more efficient. they sure do look similar to me in person.)

– Hexamid has "cap" for rear pole, Cub Den does not.

– Hexamid has full bug floor, Cub Den has bug sides.

These things would make me think the Cub Den is lighter given the same .51 CF being used. Still confused.

First, as has already been mentioned, the Cub Den uses noseeum while the Hexamid uses nanoseeum. 6 yards of nanoseeum weighs roughly the same as 4 yards of noseeum so you're floorless Cub Den isn't saving you any weight there. In fact I'm assuming they used bias tape or something similar to finish all the edges which may actually make it heavier.

Second, you're trying to compare 2 extremely odd shaped tents. Calculating the exact yardage in either tent is near impossible.

And finally, what does it matter? Both companies seem to be accurately representing the weight of their products.

I think you mean ultralight noseeum in the Hexamid (http://www.zpacks.com/materials.shtml), but I get what you are saying. Not sure what type of noseeum the cub den is using ("Normal" or "ultralight"), but let's assume it is the normal version.

So perimeter netting of the Cub Den 1.5 is "5-6 oz" according to their website.

And the difference between the Hexamid twin tarp (no netting) and the Hexamid twin tent (full floor netting) is 6 oz.

So that's a wash (not a wash in features, full bug netting is always a plus if it is durable) in weight.

I guess you are saying the Hexamid Twin has a more efficient design, but they ~are~ similar, yet different (still 9 guy outs, still three sides, still one side open to bug netting, still one tall pole, one short pole, etc.)

Why do I care? …because I'm a curious engineer of course. :p I enjoy figuring out why.

In this case the price difference is massive ($225 vs. $340) so I would not have purchased the Hexamid Twin anyway (if anything I considered the Hexamid solo, but that was still more $ with the extended beak that I personally wanted for better weather coverage to put it on more level playing field w/ bigger Cub Den 1.5)

The whole comparison makes more sense with the lighter bug netting, but that is a wash. So it comes down to sewing plus seam sealing is lighter than bonding/tape and in this case a similar design is dissimilar enough to be more efficient and have more coverage.

It's all pros and cons I suppose. I'd be happy with either shelter in the end, but it's nice to know a little more about each of them.

The shelters are similar, but different (Aym design on Cub Den vs. Syn design on Hexamid stands out to me), so pick which features and price works for you. Personal choice.

The lighter mesh would wear out quicker that the thicker stuff, especially if it is under you, so that's up to the buyer if the full bug coverage underneath you is what you want/need or greater durability.

I've done some reading and sewing/seam sealing is lighter, but would need to be redone eventually as the tarp flexes this way and that (how long? Dunno). And after re-seamsealing would it build up and weigh as much or more over time? (Dunno)

I learned there is nanonoseeum and about sewing vs/ taping/bonding. Good stuff.