New 7D Fabric

what what…

you guys continue to deliver.

7D material available to the MYOG crowd….I can't wait to try some out. How would you compare the weatherproofness of this to your intrepid fabric? Is this something you'll be considering for bivies (probably best answers my first question)? I just purchased some cf nail stakes from you yesterday, could you send me an email with a qoute for a sample of this new fabric.

thanks,
James

VERY awesome. Been looking for something like this.
Great alternative to M50

Very cool Josh. I think it will sell like hot cakes. Same price as the new M55, but even lighter.

Me likey.

Ryan

Very nice. If this stuff is indeed downproof, I sure hope someone starts making some extremely light quilts with this.

James

Anything much lighter than the Intrepid, just isnt going to be as weatherproof as the Intrepid. The Intrepid has a really nice balance of air perm and water repelency, regardless of what some BPL staff think. I'm not sure how to compare the 7D with the Intrepid, other than to say SevenD will make a better bivy top than some bivys that have been made with other sub 20D fabrics ;-). I know others have made some claims about sub 20D fabrics in comparison to 20Ds, but long term HH testing have and will bear out what I've just said.

That being said, we have looked at doing a bivy with it. Probably coupled with either a cuben or 20D bottom.

If a small sample will do, 6"X6" or so, send me a SASE, and we'll send you a sample.

Dan

Its down proof, that is what the cire finish is for. The button on the products page of TiGoat has a photo of a down garment made with it. Or at least a close up of a garment.

Ordered (5) yards for a 900fp summer quilt I've been wanting to make. I will post some pics when done.

Ryan

"Someone" is already working on extremely light quilts with this stuff, but I can't say who… ;)

No seriously, I've been working with the original samples already, which were very nice, but the production fabric is even better.

This stuff is wispy, but very strong. Obviously there are going to be some tradeoffs between this and the intrepid due to simple difference in raw material volume, but there are a lot of applications for this stuff, but its designed to really shine for down filled equipment, which have traditionally had high overall fabric weights compared to insulation weights.

Josh,

Thanks for the quick reply. Sounds like I will have to get some and see for myself how best to put it to use. Very cool offer on the sample, I really apprecieate it…I sent you a PM earlier with some details.

Javan, thanks for the additional feedback on the material. Quilt was my first though, maybe liner side fabric of insulative clothing, would be the bees-knees if it worked out for spash protection / wind protection type bivy. Course, I guess I might have to settle for some 20D material for this application….:)

Javan….you've got me drooling. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

If only they could use this stuff for the inner fabric for eVent, that would make an amazing shell fabric…

Laural,

I spent yesterday pondering the same thing, since I have worked quite a bit with eVent in the past. It's amazing to me that the "3rd" layer of most WPB fabrics, even though it's a loose scrim, weighs almost double what this new fabric weighs.

Ideally however, you'd want something uncoated as the inner layer, which should make it even lighter.

I'm sure it's a pipe dream. As amazing as eVent is, I see no evidence that GE (the owners), gives a crap about what we, or anybody else that doesn't churn through 10k+ yards a year, thinks.

edit: sorry, I mis-spelled your name lady. corrected. :)

The 7D has potential to make a good tent inner fabric as well I think. Of course you'd want it in a white or warm yellow color. But as it's the same weight as no-see-um it could be the perfect winter solution for a modular set up.

Not to introduce a competing product, but the M50 actually makes more sense for a tent inner. It has much higher breathability/AP to help with condensation. Also if it was uncoated it too would be lighter.

The SevenD though looks great for windshells, bivies, quilts and so forth. The mainstay applications for UL fabrics. I may have to play with it for use as a windshell.

Dustin introduce competition whenever possible, that's how we've gotten to this point with these products. A free market working the way it should.

You're right the higher breathability would be better. I mainly thought of 7D because TiGoat are saying it has good wind resistance. M50 seems to have really mixed reviews at the moment, we shall see how 7D fairs after a year or so. A thorough testing by 3 or 4 different groups of the new three is what we need.

Rob, I fully agree. I just meant in the context of this thread (it was a company's product announcement, and a company that actually tries to cater to it's customers, instead of so many big corps…I try to be nice to them).

I agree though, I'm really interested in what the verdict will be when the dust settles on this recent introduction of fabrics. I'm just now cutting my teeth on some MYOG projects using some great $1/yd fabrics my local shop has. But when the time comes, I'll definitely be looking to the M50-90s and SevenDs out there for more refined projects!

Josh,

The sample arrived today…WOW this stuff is nice. Thanks again for providing this — it was a really awesome gesture. The above poster is spot on as far as catering to customers. I really appreciated the cottage companies/guys that push the envelope w/out relying on hype — Tigoat really does (from my dealings) fit this description.

I am no fabric expect but I have some M50, M90 5mm silk laying around…here are my quick impressions (will try to provide more detail later):

-The 7D does seems to have a slight edge over M50 for air resistance (harder for me to blow air thru) — I would imagine this would translate to water and down resistance.
-I was sent a 12"X12" sample and it weighed .07oz so appears to be on spec of ~.65oz/yd. I have yet to weight the M50
-These appear to be about as tough as each other (light pulling).
-I would trust either with down (maybe the M50 has consistancy issues?) but would probably pick the TiGoat 7D (slight edge even considering additional cost). Would consider either for a bivy (for a tarp / bivy setup) with slight edge to M50 for cost and possibly better breathability. And would consider either for liner material in insulating garment.
-The black color is very nice.

On a side not M90 is very nice stuff (and as I understand the the 20D Intrepid sells is very, very similiar). I almost can't force breath out of this material. I would be comfortable using this for just about any insulating garment for backpacking.

thanks again Josh,
James