WM Versalite vs. Ultralite – Confused

actually id expect as a very general trend … that as move fill gets added (higher rated bags) .. the higher the fill to weight ratio would improve

thus the amount of fill increases faster than the amount of other material … up to around the 60-65% range

same with jackets … all other things being equal

i can prob chart it out if i werent surfing climbing p0rn right now =P

My previous model Versalite weighed 2 lbs 2 oz (approximately) and not the 2 lbs WM lists. Your expectations are pretty much on target with reality.

Dan is correct.
There is something wrong there.
Two possible explanations I can think of ;
1) the weight of the Versalite is understated
2) the Versalite uses lighter fabric shell.
Because only the Highlite has a specific fabric mentioned, i think that No ! is the reason for the discrepancy.
Franco

When comparing the two, also consider the girth.
The Ultralite is a slightly slimmer fit than the Versalite.
Slimmer is warmer per once of weight, unless it fits so tight that it compresses the down.

Pull out the tape measure and consider the additional clothing that may be worn at times.

If you subtract fill weight from total weight on these, you'll see that WM lists the Versalite as a 12oz shell, and the Ultralite as 13oz. That's a little weird.

I've been told by my father who bought a versalite 2 yrs ago that it came in at 34oz, not 32, as well. So it sounds like that may be the reality.

I had a Versalite and it was 34oz as well. I was told that they hadn't updated the site to reflect the "new" weight….that was 4 years ago.

Dan,

My wife sleeps way colder than I do. So we first got her an Ultralite (instead of my Summerlite). During the first cold night it became clear that the Ultralite won't be enought to keep her happy. Now she has a Versalite (regular length). I just put it on the scale and it weighs 34.57 oz.

So it seems like Western Mountaineering is understating the weight by 2 oz.

Best Regards,

Manfred

P.S.: Cold feet at night are a problem for my wife and Goosefeet made a huge difference in her level of comfort during sleep.

As stated, the Versalite has a roomier fit. I use a Summerlite in warmer weather and tried a Marmot Helium 15deg one time in cooler weather. It was so roomy I had several cold spots and drafts.

I debated between the Ultralite and Versalite and ended up deciding on the 15*F rated Apache. Others suggested that the slimmer cut of the Apache would be warmer than the Versalite. And another benefit: The Apache weighs 32oz and has the more water resistant Microfiber shell. It seems more durable than the Extremelite series bags as well.

I'd highly recommend getting her into both bags to see how the different sizes feel. There's 3" difference in girth. If the slimmer cut of the Ultralite is comfortable, you might want to consider one with 2 oz. overfill. An overfilled Ultra will be just about as warm as a Versa, but lighter.

And all actual weights for the Versalite that I've seen reported have been 34 oz, not 32.

Thanks a lot for the help guys. I really appreciate it.

So it seems that the Versalite is ~2oz heavier than spec'd and so the real difference is about 5oz….that makes it a tough call.

I kinda think Manfred might be right and the Ultralight won't be quite enough bag for her cold sleeping ways. I don't want to waste weight, but having her be cold out there would really make for a cranky camping trip. Either the Versalite, Apache or 2oz overfilled Ultralight may be the best call. I'll have to do a bit more reading & thinking.

Yep, my Versalite is also 2 oz over spec. you'd think they'd change their specs since this seems to be the rule rather than the exception. That being said, the Versalite is far and away my favorite bag.

So I ended up going with a size small Apache. I wanted a 2oz overfill Ultralite, but no one could get that without a special order and I need this bag in three weeks. The Apache is exactly the same thing but with the more water repellent 1.1oz fabric instead of the 0.9oz Extremelight stuff. So that's 1oz heavier than the 2oz overfill Ultralight would have been, but still 2oz lighter than the Versalite (assuming its 2oz over spec). More importantly, it will be far nicer than her previous MEC bag and 4.7oz lighter.

I ordered from e-OMC due to the free USPS priority shipping to Canada and strangely the shopping cart automatically applied the 10% members coupon, even though it clearly says it's not applicable to WM. We'll see if I get a message from them wanting another $40. It must be a glitch:

Nice gift horse.

Hope the bag works out well for the both of you.

WM products do not go on sale. If a store puts everything on sale, and WM doesn't notice, you get a discount on buying a WM product.

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