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    Sai
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    @saizai

    I currently have a Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1. (http://www.bigagnes.com/str_tents.php?id=sh1sl)

    It’s a good waterproof tent, and has served perfectly well for two-person camping also.

    My issues with it are that
    * it kinda sucks if the terrain isn’t flat – floor is too slippery to be viable unless flat
    * its footprint is large enough to make it hard to find a large enough flat patch on a slope
    * it takes up more room & weight in my bag than I’d prefer
    * it does actually require staking – if the sides aren’t staked then the inside gets wet, which somewhat negates the ‘free standing’ benefit, and is hard to do in soft terrain like a wet redwood forest

    … so I’m thinking of moving to a tarptent or similar.

    My criteria are
    * pack size (my SL1 w/ floor but w/out poles fully fills (almost perfectly) an Integral Design size small silcoat sack – I’d prefer smaller)
    * weight
    * suitability to all weather / terrain short of mountaineering (i.e. bug and waterproof system)
    * durability / ease of use
    * preferably still usable for 2 people (the SL1 has more than enough room; a bit less would still work)

    So, it seems that using a floorless tarp when the ground consists of e.g. snow or wet leaves would be rather unpleasant. How does one avoid this?

    I’m willing to consider eg tarp+bivy or whatnot.

    My bag is a WM Ultralite. I’m 5’5″ 135 lb. It’s (slightly) long for me, and again I’d prefer smaller & lighter in pack, but otherwise no complaints.

    Suggestions please?

    #1367371
    Richard Matthews
    Member

    @food

    Locale: Colorado Rockies

    IMO Six Moons Designs and TarpTent are state of the art.

    http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=47

    http://www.tarptent.com/doublerainbow.html

    However for wet and uneven ground the best solution is a hammock.

    http://www.hennessyhammock.com/catalogue.htm

    Floorless tents have a lot of advantages. In snow you dig to increase your living space. A stump in the middle of the tent for a nightstand is great. I never cook or eat in a tent with a floor, but I do a floorless tent. Wet clothes can drip dry in a floorless tent.

    #1367380
    paul johnson
    Member

    @pj

    Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest

    for years i used bivy shelters or bivy sacks both for easy of pitching and often “real estate” is at a premium and finding space for a larger, more mainstream floored shelter could be just a little difficult at times.

    tried an original floorless HS Squall with groundsheet. much easier to find a spot to pitch it than a floored shelter, but it proved sub-optimal if heavy rains were expected that weekend. the amount of water we can get at times can easily overwhelm a groundsheet and the largest “LNT” rain trenches i care to dig with a Montbell Ti potty trowel. in these conditions, only a bathtub floor suffices. now, the real-estate issue surfaces again, depending upon where i attempt to bivouac.

    it’s a trade-off. how much rain do you expect to see when on a trek is the question i suggest that you ask yourself. the answer to this question, IMHO, together with how easy is it to find adequate real-estate to pitch a floored shelter, will govern your choice of floored vs. floorless shelter.

    The floorless, original HS Squall did a fine job when it came to bugs in my limited experience with it. due to the aforementioned heavy rain issue, i gave it away and purchased, immediately after their introduction, a GG Squall Classic (spinnaker and floored), but haven’t had a chance to use it yet, so i can’t comment on it, other than to say that i already know in some places i’ll have problems finding sufficient real-estate to pitch it. i have a SMD Lunar Solo ‘e’, and sometimes have trouble finding sufficient even surface to pitch it.

    #1367391
    John S.
    BPL Member

    @jshann

    IIya, using a tarp/bivy combo is something that may take time to get used to. I personally like floorless shelters and use a Golite Hut 1/Equinox bivy combo for three season camping.

    In snow you can get in with your boots on without worry of needing to take them off first. With wet leaves I would sit on my closed cell foam pad and bivy before getting in the bag for the night. No, it’s not as comfy as a tent in previously wet ground or if the bugs are out, but for me it’s the way to go when solo. For bugs, I simply wear a headnet to sleep. I try to minimize the time I need to be in the tent but outside the bivy to avoid the bug unpleasantness.

    #1367400
    Douglas Frick
    BPL Member

    @otter

    Locale: Wyoming

    >So, it seems that using a floorless tarp when the ground consists of e.g. snow or wet leaves would be rather unpleasant. How does one avoid this?

    I like the GossamerGear Polycryo Ground Cloth. Just put it under yourself and your gear, and leave the rest of the area as open dirt to absorb rain.

    If you’re a confirmed ground sleeper then I’ll second the recommendations for Six Moon Designs and Tarptents. (Be sure to read the recent BPL article comparing two of these; both are winners.) You might be pleasantly surprised by the utility of the Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape as a floorless shelter.

    But I’d rather be in a hammock, especially in the wet or snow. No worries about slope or water pooling.

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