May 18, 2011 at 5:00 pm #1274055
New product in the MLD store.
The Klymit X Frame XL- 16oz.
Intro Price of $115. ($15 off the reg price)
This is the big sister to the 9oz X Frame- It's Wider-Longer-Thicker and Warmer.
The edges are taller and the cahnbers are slanted inward to help keep you on the pad all night vs rolling off the edge of uni-thickness horizontal tube pads.
Compare these pads the NeoAir and you will see they are less expensive, lighter, smaller to pack, far more puncture resistant and quiet and plenty comfy.
We have had many customers tell use they like the X Frames much better than their NeoAirs – even the ones without punctures.
The regular size X Frame is also on sale $10 off for limited time.May 18, 2011 at 5:39 pm #1738321
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Does it come with a Light Sabre?
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
CheersMay 18, 2011 at 5:54 pm #1738327
Mark HudsonBPL Member
@vesteroidLocale: Eastern Sierras
What's the r value of these pads?
I slept on a non insulated air pad in 38 degrees two weeks ago and was not happy.
Went back to the neo air and was fine.
Love the weight of this but need to see at least a 2 r out of itMay 18, 2011 at 10:16 pm #1738422
Dan DurstonBPL Member
Maybe this is the wrong place for this, but how is this pad warmer than the regular X frame? All the literature I've read says that any air space between 0.5" and 4" thick effectively has an R-value of 1.0. So just because it's thicker doesn't mean it's any warmer. If anything, this pad appears to have less cutouts for a sleeping bag to loft down into, so to me it appears cooler if anything for sleeping bag users and the same for quilt users.
I'm open to the idea of cutouts in a sleeping pad and I like how small these roll up and how few breaths they take to inflate. I just keep hoping they'll find a way to boost the R-value higher than 1.0 to make a true 3 season pad. If you crunch the cost and weight numbers, using their nobletek gas isn't a feasible way to do this. I'd love to see NeoAir style baffling / heat reflectors.May 19, 2011 at 7:09 am #1738482
Ben CBPL Member
Anyone know how much is between you and the ground?May 19, 2011 at 1:28 pm #1738653
Roger: It will fit in a Tunnel Tent – so you are all set.
I don't have a set R value for it. It is a new design lightweight pad and so maybe a set R value does not apply the same since the cutouts are used differently from other traditionally designed pads. -Maybe around R1.5 sounds about right for the X frame and maybe a hair higher for the XL version without as many cutouts. Both are about 1" – 1.5" thick.
I think its more use to refer to user reports as a comfort guide rather than trying to make it a math question. I do know that using them alone on the ground with a bag down to the upper 40's is fine and those temps are the majority of nights for most hikers – YMMV.
I do use a Good Night EVA 1/8" 1.5oz foam mat under it down to about 40 and a 1/4" 3.5 oz mat down to about 30 is fine. (foam pads serve as the ground sheet too.) Both set ups still keep the weight fairly low for that much comfort. The added EVA pads could be trimmed / shaped to whatever length you need to trim weight, etc.
Of course it is not a harsh winter pad – nor is any other non insulated inflatable.
Thanks for the questions.May 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm #1738660
Greg MihalikBPL Member
"…far more puncture resistant…"
What makes it more puncture resistant?May 19, 2011 at 7:14 pm #1738775
The bottom is a fairly tough 75d material.
The top is a 30d.
The lighter versions of the NeoAir are 30d top and bottom.
Also, do to the design, there is a lot less mat on the ground to get punctured especially in the lighter X Frame.May 20, 2011 at 3:36 pm #1739116
It's good to see H.R. Giger working again.May 20, 2011 at 5:03 pm #1739136
Simon WursterBPL Member
@einsteinLocale: Big Apple
Is this at comfortable for a side-sleeper? Just thought I'd ask…
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