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PostedMay 18, 2011 at 4:46 pm

After doing some research, I understand the concepts of layering and good materials to wear (aka, not cotton) but I am having a hard time choosing what clothing articles to buy and pack. I will be mainly backpacking for long weekends (summer) in the pacific northwest region. What articles should I bring, and what is a waste of pack space? Currently I already have long underwear (silk), two pairs of convertible pants, a wicking t-shirt, a fleece jacket and rain gear, what else should I bring, or is anything I have listed above not necessary? Any long sleeve shirts? What kinds/brands are best? Maybe someone could write a list of the clothing articles they bring that work best for them?
Thanks!
PS (I'm a 22 year old female, so ladies advice would be great, although any is appreciated! )

PostedMay 18, 2011 at 5:18 pm

I received a long sleeve fishing shirt from Bass Pro as a Christmas present a few years ago. It's very light, offers protection from UV, is some sort of breathable micro fiber, and even has pit zips. It has worked well as a summer shirt. My only complaint is that it holds odors.

Also consider a sun hat and a thin polypropylene Balaclava for chilly nights,

I don't think two pair of pants is neccessary. If you have to have two, the second set could be shorts.

Az

PostedMay 18, 2011 at 6:18 pm

I can tell you what my wife brings for three-season (warm weather) hiking:

Hiking: nylon shorts or zip off pants, synthetic brief, sports bra, synthetic short sleeve top, light wool socks, trail runners. Sometimes a long sleeve "fishing" shirt for sun protection, but here we don't need that as much as out West. Nylon ball cap. Rain shell and light rain pants as needed (rain pants not needed in summer here.)

Camp: dry base layer, top and bottom. She *always* brings a microfleece zip tee, no matter how warm the forecast, because she gets cold quickly. A light down jacket (Montbell UL down inner parka) except in mid-summer – same reason. She uses that combo even in the 50s. Light fleece hat and gloves. She likes having dry clean base layers to sleep in.

I usually make snarky comments about the extra warm clothing when we're packing, but she ends up wearing it most trips. Nothing worse than a cold miserable spouse on a hiking trip.

So it sounds like you have most or maybe all of what you need to get started. Go on a couple of trips and adjust from there.

Have fun!

d k BPL Member
PostedMay 18, 2011 at 6:45 pm

It kind of depends on how cold you get. I'm a 55 year old female and I do get cold pretty easily when I'm not moving (my fingers were starting to get numb indoors here last week, for chrissakes!), so here's what I bring for most trips in the Sierra Nevada. If you don't go over 10K feet elevation, you may not need all this even if you're as cold as me…I'd have to say this is probably a lot more than many people bring for 3-season trips.

1 pair lightweight nylon pants
nylon sunprotective woven longsleeved shirt; it's also great mosquito protection
2 pairs socks (wear one, wash one for trips > 2 days; likewise for underpants)
t-shirt (synthetic) for hot days or sleeping
Marmot DriClime jacket – one of my favorite garments ever
Down Jacket for evenings
Down hood or fleece dome for nights
Fleece tights (i.e. expedition weight longjohns) for evenings
Rain Pants, also double as extra layer if I get chilled
Silnylon Poncho or waterproof breathable jacket
light pair of gloves
wide-brimmed hat for sun protection and rain (otherwise my glasses get wet in rain) – I use the Sunday Afternoons Adventure Hat

I'm re-evaluating my raingear; I may try rain skirt and/or gaiters and/or chaps this summer. Some people do fine without so much raingear, and just stay warm by hiking when they get wet, but unless you know for sure you fall into that category you might want to start off with a little more rain protection rather than less.

I stay away from fleece jackets, just because they tend to be heavy for the amount of warmth/wind protection they provide. But then again, in the PNW down might not be the best thing, with the rain you get. Maybe someone from that area can weigh in on that issue.

Hope this is helpful.

PostedMay 18, 2011 at 7:39 pm

I consider a down layer an essential. I stay warm while, hiking, but in the evenings I get cold easily. I have a Montbell UL down inner jacket for milder weather and an Alpine Light for chiller weather.

PostedMay 18, 2011 at 8:33 pm

A good warm layer is critical, even in the summer.

Fleece isn't as warm as you think it should be, in my experience.

MontBell is popular around here, and Campsaver has them at 25% off right now.

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedMay 18, 2011 at 8:34 pm

Fleece is considered heavy for "true" UL use and it is bulky when packed. As a PNW resident, I like the stuff for cold rainy weather. Standing around the fire with a fleece on a damp evening is camping to me :)

There is much debate on down vs. synthetic fill. I recommend synthetic if you hike on the West side of the Cascades. Many will disagree.

An example of an UL layering system:

Starters:
Silkweight base layer top (some prefer Merino wool; I like polyester)
Briefs
Pants/shorts (I prefer convertibles. Light soft shells are nice in cool/wet weather)
Socks (I like Merino wool)

Windshirt.
A windshirt is an UL standard. Go there before button-down long sleeve shirts. It will keep the wind from stealing the heat from your body and should repel light rain. It should be breathable. They can be good insect protection as well. I recommend a lighter color, so you can wear one in direct sun without baking.

Insulation.
Thin insulated jackets like the Month Bell Thermawrap, Patagonia Nano Puff or down equivalents are popular. I like one with more loft (and more weight), like the Mountain Hardwear Compressor or Patagonia Micro Puff, finding that the lighter insulators don't provide enough warmth. Vests work too. I like the Patagonia Micro Puff vest a lot. A down vest could work too– as long as you keep it nice and dry.

I like a mid-layer for some weather, with Power Stretch being my favorite. Patagonia makes some thicker Capilene tops— choose to your liking for metabolism/weight/cost. I don't think this is an "orthodox" ultralight choice, but it works or me, especially under a shell in wet weather. I think a Power Stretch vest rocks with a shell.

Rain shells
Typically 2.5 layer jackets and pants like the Marmot Precip (get one with good ventilation). Many use Frogg Toggs/Driducks. Some use a poncho, which doubles as a minimalist shelter. Event garments are on the increase; nice but $$$$. You will find a number of super thin shells like the Marmot Super Mica. Some use rain wrap/skirts or chaps for rain bottoms.

Big puffy jackets. Typically for rest and camp use in colder weather or for those who just need more insulation. Western Mountaineering down jackets are probably the most popular here. Too warm for most of the hiking I do.

Hats and gloves. Fleece beanies, big floppy sun hats, light fleece gloves, mitten-style shells with liners, etc. (I like shelled gloves for wet weather).

I usually head out from the trailhead with the basics plus a windshirt, ventilating or changing as needed. If it gets wet, I'll put the windshirt away and go with a shell. If I'm not going up a steep slope and I'm cold, that is where the mid-layer comes in and a vest is usually plenty.

In camp is where the insulation comes in play– enough to keep me warm while sitting around, eating or resting. That insulation can be worn for sleep to extend the range of my sleeping bag too. Those Power Stretch mid-layers I like so much really come into play for sleep.

I find that hats and gloves really help with the perception of cold. Often your body isn't chilled, but your hands are feeling it, making you think it is colder. Hats are protection from sun, rain and cold.

I like shelled gloves for rain– just like rain shells for my hands. My current gloves have a breathable shell and a light fleecy lining. I use trekking poles, so my hands are out in the rain.

I like a Tilley brimmed hat most of the time. The Peruvian style fleece caps with ear flaps are my favorite for cold weather and sleep. They work well under a hood too. I recently added a Gore-Tex baseball cap and it rocks under a hood— the bill keeps the hood out of my eyes.

Some like gaiters. Long ones are good in snow and wet brush. Short stretchy ones will keep the rocks out of your shoes, add water repellency and keep your cuffs out of the mud.

Dan Quixote BPL Member
PostedMay 18, 2011 at 8:53 pm

+1 on the windshirts. I was recently hiking in the 40’s or lower and I was good with a hooded windshirt and LS merino baselayer. I was using this one:CAMP Magic Anorak, which is the cheapest one I know of on the market (it’s been on clearance for awhile). The full-zip is also available in a few sizes.

Lots of folks swear by their Patagucci Houdinis though, and there are loads of functionally similar permutations from different brands at intermediate price points and weights.

Link . BPL Member
PostedMay 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm

I live in Seattle and depending on the weather report I take,Integral Designs rain jacket,Golite Reed rainpants,long sleeve hooded shirt Ground Effect Hot Toddy,short sleeve synthetic or light merino wool shirt,running shorts,2 pair synthetic no show running socks,1 sports bra,Inov-8 Terroc 330 shoes,Montbell ul wind jacket, Montbell ul wind pants,Montbell ex light jacket,ul inner jacket or thermawrap jacket(depends on weather and temp.),light fleece liner gloves,fleece balaclava for sleeping in quilt,baseball style synthetic hat for sun and sunglasses.

PostedMay 18, 2011 at 9:26 pm

I bring a wide variety of clothing items which depend mostly on temperature. If the temps will be above 50 F during normal hiking hours, I probably won't be bringing anything more than a dry pair of sleeping socks, fleece hat, and maybe wool glove liners. I wear a DriDucks rain jacket as a windshirt. Keep in mind that I'm nearly always hiking in a sheltered forest area though. If there's any chance of things getting colder or windier, I don't hesitate to throw in a synthetic jacket and maybe rain pants or light long underwear. I also don't mind wearing my sleeping bag under my rain jacket as insulation, or just stopping and setting up camp or building a fire if I start to get too cold.

I'm confident in the safety of my approach only because I've tested it on dayhikes and 2 hour backyard campouts in bad weather. It likely won't work for you. Test all of your clothing and other gear choices, and go ahead and err on the side of caution if you're not sure. An extra 14 oz jacket isn't going to hurt, but not having it might in certain situations.

Ike Jutkowitz BPL Member
PostedMay 19, 2011 at 7:23 am

+1 on Dale's comprehensive summary.
Of the many combinations he offered, I use a merino 150 top, Houdini windshirt, nano puff insulation, and poncho. (Dry ducks occasionally if not poncho-tarping). Convertible pants. This combination is perfect for me down to the 30s.

If continuous rain is anticipated, I'd bring an extra base layer to make sure you have something dry to sleep in. If you get cold easily, add an extra mid-layer. Technique is also important- minimalist layering systems work best in colder weather if you will be hiking most of the day and in your bag or quilt pretty quickly after you stop for the night. If planning to sit around in camp, a warmer insulation piece might be better.

PostedMay 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm

Thank you so much! I have a much better idea how I should be packing now. Its so hard to know when you don't have experience. Thanks everyone!

PostedMay 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm

I'm fairly new to the ultralight stuff and always cold but here goes:
Smartwool base layers (1/4 zip top has great temperature range)
Railriders long sleeved synthetic button down shirt
I don't like zip offs, so I have the Arcteryx gamma LT pants
Montbell UL Down Inner parka (has attached hood)
Rain Gear or not depending on expected precipitation (pants and jacket)- which one depends on expected amount of precipitation
Montbell Wind Jacket
Alpaca wool beanie
Darn tough 1/4 crew socks
Glove liners

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