Caldera Cone – storing flat in a pack

I cant say I have stored mine flat inside my pack, but I think it would take quite the hit to deform the dovetail joint of that TI.

Interesting thought especially if you use the esbit stove and dont need the storage for the alcohol stove.

If your cone is aluminum with a Ti-lined dovetail, the other side is still aluminum, and susceptible to deformation. Be cautious.

If it is a Ti cone, it is nearly indestructible.

I think that the CC pairs very nicely with a Steripen. Just roll the CC into your water collection/exposure device; I use a 1.5L water bottle cut down. If I was willing to only purify 1/2L of water at a time, I could use one of those skinny 1L "Smart Water" bottles cut down.

Steve

I had the same idea of storing it flat when I was thinking of getting a regular Ti Cone & Inferno insert.

But then they came out with the CC Sidewinder so I got one that fit in the 3 cup pot it's made for. It holds the Inferno kit as well. I don't use alky so that stove stays home. I pack ESBIT and the tiny Gram Cracker tab holder separately.

P.S. If you decide to flat pack it in your (unused) hydration sleeve I'd get some metallic automotive exhaust tape for the sharp edges – or at least some removable light auto door edge covering (plastic channel).

I had these same concerns recently, since don't have a Sidewinder system, and I couldn't figure out an ideal efficient packing with my stove in the conical sleeve and my pot set. I also noticed that using the system with wood leaves a bit of soot, and rolling the stove walls every day for storage was bound to generate a lot of mess on my hands to clean up.

I instead cut out a sleeve from 2 free Tyvek mailing envelopes, sealing the edges with superglue. As shown, there are two main sleeves, with a strap looping over the smaller to keep them together, and to provide a handle to pull the stove out of the pack when desired. Hidden is a small loop under the lip to secure the stakes, and a separate sleeve for the mesh strip. It weighs barely over 1/2 oz.

Here's the whole kit emptied out.

Using the kit this weekend was very easy; the package was easy to slide into my pack even when full, against my tent (or any other large soft item) and the rear pack wall. It was also easy to remove from the pack without removing any other item; the Tyvek slides easily.

The one caveat is that I noticed a small nick in the corner of one of the dovetails. I don't know if that is from this storage method or not, but in theory the dovetails are a bit more exposed to external impact or human negligence when flat. I plan on molding small dovetail protectors out of Instamorph / polycaprolactone for protection before my next trip.
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=63060

I'm not sure where the link is, but I think it was here at BPL that I saw someone illustrate their method of laying their cone flat on their ccf sleeping pad and then just rolling it up with the pad, so it ends up in roughly circular form and protected between layers of the pad. Seemed like a pretty slick solution, of course it requires that you have a ccf pad that you pack by rolling. . .

Hi,

I had the same problem. After researching the issue on this site, I found that someone suggested using sleeping socks. I roll the cone around one sock (folded in half lengthwise) and put the rolled-up cone inside the other sock. No additional weight. So far no damage to sock, cone, or other gear.

Hope that helps.

rhz

Yeah, rolling the cones in a variety of other gear makes a lot of sense, and I might do that if ever traveling with alcohol only (which is probably most of the time!).

I was seeking a complete-package solution with the Ti-Tri, which also has the rigid wood burning grate, mesh strip, and the soot problem (which I would not want coating my CF pad or my socks!)

I roll mine in a small narrow zip lock that's just barely taller than my MSR kettle sized cone. My fuel bottle goes next to it and I store it in an outside mesh pocket on my pack. This retains fuel if it leaks and keeps everything safe, lighter and more compact than the caddy. I think the bag, a heavier grade zip lock, came with a purchase from Zpacks.com, but it's pretty perfect. That said, flat in a tyvek envelope would work well too. My Caldera Fusion Cone I got for my Snow Peak 700 (two piece, ULC on top of wider bottom cone), is rolled in a sock sized tyvek sleeve sewn by trail designs. It's a great package and I see no reason it would not work with the larger one piece cones too.

I had the same issue with my first pot and caldera. I just decided to make my own Fissue style split cone that fits in the pot. Im very happy with the results.

check out the thread here for pics

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=66776&skip_to_post=570933#570933

Quick and dirty out of polycaprolactone. But they slide on and off with a satisfying little snap since they're all custom formed. If they're useless, or if I have an urgent repair need in the field… just melt em down and make something new

here's a knock off of the Caldera concept which can be used with just about any stove
http://www.theoutdoorsstation.co.uk/2012/02/how-to-make-a-clip-on-cone-windshield/

and can be folded flat