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What’s a pound? Thoughts on the MSR Hubba.

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PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm

I've been looking to go back to a double-walled freestanding solo tent for certain types of trips (perhaps another discussion) and have been looking seriously at the 2011 Hubba. I'm actually pretty impressed with this shelter based on playing with it so far. Yes, it's 3 pounds, made by a major manufacturer, and…gasp…probably mentioned a lot in Backpacker Magazine! Have I gone mad?

Here's where I'm coming from:
*Compared to the Contrail I used to own, the MSR is about 1 pound heavier. My Contrail was 2pounds, including seam sealing and stakes/stuffsack. Given I'm getting away from trekking poles, I guess I should figure in the weight of a single pole for the Contrail, another ~2ounces. So, by weight, the MSR is about 13 oz. heavier (I weighed one, poles, fly, and body, plus 6 Ti shepherd stakes) and it was 2 pounds, 15 ounces.
*Versus my old Contrail, that 13 ounces is getting me:
-Less setup hassle. Yes, I've seen the videos on Youtube of people pitching Contrails super-fast, but no offense, I'm not into practicing in my yard with a shelter. The MSR felt way less fidgety to get a taught pitch, especially if you're dealing with uneven ground and soft soil. My Contrail always felt fussy, even after 30+ nights of use.
-Freestanding shelter. I forgot how easy freestanding tents are- no worries about soft soil/sand, no concerns that if one stake fails the whole shelter goes down. Set it up and move it around to the best spot before committing.
-No condensation issues. Being a double-wall, the MSR is much easier in this regard. I had some wet, clammy, soaked footbox nights in that Contrail.
-I feel like it's actually more LIVABLE space. Granted, the Contrail is REALLY roomy, but at 6'2", I was only able to sit up right in front at the peak and any deviation had me rubbing against wet walls. Since the shelter slopes radically down to your feet, half the room is useless unless laying down. By contrast, as narrow as the MSR inner is, it actually felt roomy. The walls are very vertical all around (actually sloping outward in places, making it nearly 100% usable space.
-The big side entry with overhang is sweet. It also appears to be a good, dry entry. This is what has me looking at the MSR over a Seedhouse SL1 or Fly Creek. You don't feel like you're crawling into a tunnel, making it feel roomier when sitting/working/cooking half in the tent/half in the vestibule.
-The fly and poles can be set up first, and it appears to me that it's possible the inner can be clipped in from underneath…solving the double-wall rain dilemma.
-I like the idea of the mesh inner only for stargazing/laying around in bug country- can't do this in a Contrail or pyramid type shelter.
-Versus the floorless shelters/tarps I've used over the years, in certain situations floorless becomes a pain (muddy, wet ground or on wet sand). I want a shelter with a nice bathtub floor that fully seals; no dirt, no drafts, etc. The bathtub on the MSR is nearly 12 inches all the way around (except for the door/vestibule side).
-I was considering a BD Firstlight, but it lacks an integrated vestibule for cooking and doesn't have the advantages of using it inner-only. I'm also concerned about the BD's durability when camping in brushy areas while hunting. It also looks a bit short for a 6'2" person without rubbing wet walls.

So all in all, it seems to me the Hubba often gets overlooked by many around here.

I've always felt the best shelter is no shelter. But when one is needed, I'm finding my shelter choices for certain trips coming full circle; in some cases, adding some weight may actually increase the simplicity of the overall experience: a no-fuss, all conditions, freestanding, double-walled shelter may fit the bill.

What's saving a single pound if it doesn't get you anything tangible?
By adding a pound back into my kit, I can see real benefits/conveniences.

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

While I would enjoy the light and fast style of backpacking for all my gear, for most of our trips the reality is that we prefer a "home away from home". So we carry the heavy (for two people) Mutha Hubba. For all the reasons you've given. This is especially true if you're going to be setting up in the rain or spending much time in your shelter.

kevperro . BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

It all comes down to personal preference and trip conditions. I have a heavier 54oz. double-wall free-standing traditional tent that I bring when I know weather is questionable. It does better in extended bad weather and has more space (it is 2-person tent).

If I know I'm going on a 4-day trip and the forecast is awesome I'll take the TT Sublite and save the weight.

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:25 pm

The Hubba fully packed is 3lbs, 4oz so more like 20oz heavier. What is clear to me is that there is far less room in the Hubba than the Contrail. So although you are 'only' carrying 20 oz more, you are giving up space. The Hubba is very narrow at only 26" wide.

On the other hand, if you like it then great. It is a decent freestanding solo tent.

todd BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm

If it improves your outdoor experience, then it's a no-brainer! Good for you, Craig.

Comfortable living space is sometimes worth a TON! Hassle-free setup is worth more.

John S. BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm

The pole hub still seems to be a likely part to fail from seeing friends' experiences. One went to the HS Rainbow tarptent.

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:36 pm

You can save another 6oz or so and get the Hubba HP, then you have a 4 season tent.

I have the Hubba Hubba HP and absolutely love it. No complaints at all. The pole hub/thing is a little goofy, but there is nothing to lose!

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm

4 season? I think that would depend on your definition of the 4th season. Snow and wind are not the Hubba HP's strong suits.

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Not comparable with an alpine tent, but it has fabric to stop spindrift. Also has guyouts.

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm

You've made a good case for the Hubba over the Contrail. Have you thought about how it compares with a Scarp 1 or Moment? I ask mostly because I want someone to challenge my thinking.

When doing a comparison of the Hubba Hubba vs Scarp 2 based on specs and reviews, I concluded that the Scarp 2 was the best choice for me. I'm happy with it so far. My solo tent is a Moment, which I haven't tested on an actual trip yet. (I've also used a bivy, flat tarp, and Golite Shangri-La 3.)

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedMay 9, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Check on the number of stakes required for a full pitch on any of the "free standing" models. I've seen so-called free standing tents that had TWELVE stakes. A lot of tarps will get by with six. I'm not so much concerned with the weight of the stakes, just the pain of pounding them all in, never mind poles to break or lose.

The free standing tents are nice if you have a rainy trip and spend a lot of time inside. I would go simple tarp tents for solo and free standing for two— you can split the load as well as enjoy the extra room. I rarely elbow myself :)

PostedMay 9, 2011 at 3:04 pm

I used a Hubba HP on my 2009 AT Thru hike. It set up silly fast and since its free standing you can set it up and then pick it up and move it around if you find out you're laying on a rock or something. I almost always only set it up with two sticks (as stakes) to hold out the fly in the front and back. Its a great shelter and I found that for me and my 6'3" body plus gear inside it was very livable and I could sit up to read or write in it. I've also had it in very windy situations where I didn't even guy it out and it held up great.

I think it would be more difficult than its worth to set up fly first and try to clip in the inner. It could be possible, but a big pain.

That being said its heavy and I've since gone to a Gossamer Gear Spinn Twinn and never looked back. Its all about what works for you.

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