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PostedApr 28, 2011 at 11:39 am

Looking for some direction on a specific kit, my summer time kit. I'll be under tree canopy mostly. Daniel Boon National forest area, so hot, and little wind. I just want rain, dew and bug protection.

My summer kit is pretty spartan at this point (at least for me). I have been getting away with a shelter sans a bivy (just bug net) because I'm using an 8×10 silnyl tarp. Now this 13.45oz tarp seems a bit much (size and weight) for me. I'm trying to think of a way to reduce my shelter and still go no bivy. I may get a section of bug net to tuck around me but that doesn't really count as a bivy.

I got an Equinox poncho tarp which seems really nice at 9oz. I set it up and it will definately need a bivy. So my 9oz poncho with a 5-8oz bivy equals no real weight loss.

The Gatewood Cape seems like it would be good since it's full coverage. It's still 9oz but the price is really attractive and I doubt a splash protective bivy would be needed.

I could get an 8×8 cuben flat tarp at 4-5oz and keep with the big tarp strategy.

or

I could get a super small 5×7 flat cuben tarp at like 3ish oz and that Oware bivy that is net on top nylon on bottom. If it rains flip the bivy over for spash protection (5.5oz).

Any suggestions?

Also, I was looking at the super thin foam pads at Oware and Gossamer Gear, the 3/16th inch. Are these intended to use as sleeping mats or just to boost the warmth of normal mats? Keep in mind I am considering temps as low as 60F.

Thanks for any help.

William Zila BPL Member
PostedApr 28, 2011 at 7:54 pm

Never used those specific pads but before I embraced comfort I used a windshield reflector to sleep on didn't feel any convection heat loss till about 40% weighed 4ounces for a 55inch by 23 one hope this helps some it's 3/16 inches thick with a foam side and Mylar on one side

Mike M BPL Member
PostedApr 28, 2011 at 8:10 pm

the poncho/tarp should see some reduction in weight as you no longer need to carry rain protection- that should shave a few oz

the bivy while adding weight back in also provides a temp boost to your sleep system, that should add a little to the pro side of the equation, the bivy also negates a ground cloth (couple of oz's)

if you want to go all out, they make a cuben poncho/tarp :)

can't comment on the thin pad

<– uses cushy neoair! :)

PostedApr 29, 2011 at 8:01 am

I am super effecient at popping air matresses. I stick to CCF :)

I realize my original post is all over the place so here's a more direct question. What is the lightest CCF pad option? I'm talking about hot weather use so my concern is minimal comfort, minimal R value, and water proofness. GG and Oware sell 3/16th pads, does anyone know what the intended use for them is?

PostedApr 29, 2011 at 8:22 am

If you can, the 3/8 foam pad should be fine for summer in most places.
As I get older my joint pains keep awake so I have had to go with a thicker softer pad:-(

Using an ultralight bivy saves weight by:
allows for carrying a smaller tarp – save an once or two.
adds to the warmth – carry a lighter sleeping bag/quilt.
and no ground cloth required.

It also also allows for sleeping without having to setup a shelter if the the weather is OK.
The bivy will protect from dirt, mud, dew and light rain, but have the tarp nearby should the rain get heavy.

Get one with a bug net and you can keep the bugs off your face.

Here There BPL Member
PostedApr 29, 2011 at 8:27 am

For the temps you mentioned I've been perfectly happy with no pad, and If I know the ground might have lots of prickly bits a thin ccf pad is definitely useful.

One of my typical kits consists of a 7oz poncho tarp, a 6oz bivy, and a (forget what it weighs) slightly larger than torso sized piece of 1/8" Thinlight from GG. In warm summer temps I sometimes skip a sleeping bag or quilt altogether and just use my clothes in the bivy, which makes for a very light and compact kit.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedApr 29, 2011 at 3:59 pm

^ now that's a spartan kit- I like! :)

rough r values for thinner pads

1/8"- .45
3/16"-.67
1/4"-.90

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