TT Moment Liner video

Hi Franco,

I saw your Youtube video on the liner. IT's neat that it can be added to the Moment with the clips already supplied in the tent (& liner). I've been wondering why I'd want it other than for keeping occasional condensation from dripping on me.

The Moment is SO well ventilated that a liner won't add much "insulation" to it in cooler weather. Warmer air will just vent out top and bottom.

I've slept in my Moment in 15 F. weather with 35-45 mph winds ripping all night. Despite building snow walls around the tent, buttoning up the roof and end vents and laying clothes and gear on the ground level wall vents I still had a fair amount of breeziness. I realize the tent is a 3 season tent so I wasn't disappointed. The snow was consolidated by sun melt and I was just glad it wasn't snowing. Spin drift would have blown in for sure.

P.S.Does the liner drape down inside the short Moment walls? That might cut down on some ventilation.

Hi Eric
good points.
I installed and then removed the liner in my Moment after a couple of trips because I don't need it .
A mate was using his in Alaska a few days ago and also removed it because the shelter was icing up anyway and the liner did not do much for him there either.
(he uses an eVent ID bivvy inside the Moment those conditions)
But in areas where you get a lot of condensation and are likely to get misting and or touch wet walls, it would work.
No it does not cover any of the mesh areas or impede air circulation
Franco

Hi Franco,

It seems that you've some friends who are using TT Moment. It has been a lot of discussions about condensation in TT Moment. Now there is a liner for Moment which can solve some problems with condensation in humid conditions. But how about other in rough weather like strong wind? Have you heard new experience/opinions abut how Moment handles rough weather?

/Jonas

Hi Jonas
Yes I have .
Like the other hoop tents of this type , you really need to install the pole guylines to gain lateral stability otherwise the tent will vibrate in moderate to strong winds.
The pitch lock (the two strut end support) does allow to have the side panels pulled taut , not just the ridgeline, that helps in having less flapping than some of the others.
BTW, the liner can be retrofitted to all Moments with the addition of two clips. Very easy to sew into the ribbon under the sleeve.
You get the clips and instructions when you order the liner.
Clips are added if you order it with the shelter.
Franco
BTW, my Moment is the one on the left of the Scarp in my avatar..

Last week I used my TT Moment on an overnight trip in the foothills of northern California. The weather was terrible; Strong winds with gusts up to 60 mph and rain/sleet the entire time. I was camped in a somewhat sheltered location, but still took the brunt of wind gusts. I used 8" Easton al stakes on the head/foot ends as well as the two guyline tieouts mid-way on the pole sleeve (four stakes total). I was not using the optional crossing pole. The shelter kept me dry and safe, but I did experience a couple of issues that I have since addressed.

1.) After a series of very strong gusts, I noticed quite a bit of sagging in the canopy of the tent. I thought for sure that a stake was coming loose from the ground, so I threw on my rain gear and went to fix it. The stake was still completely secure in the ground, but the ridgeline guyline cord had slipped from its position in the LineLoc. When I attempted to re-tighten the cord in the LineLoc, it didn't "bite" as good as before. I pulled it tight and hitched it around the LineLoc for the night as a temporary fix. I've since replaced the ridgeline guyline with larger diameter dyneema/nylon cord and it definitely feels more secure when I pull it tight. I'm not sure what the diameter of the original guyline TarpTent supplies, but it looks to be smaller than 2 mm. I may replace the horizontal cord (tightens the bottom perimeter of shelter), but it still feels good and I don’t think nearly as much stress is put on it compared to the ridgeline.

2.) My seam sealing around the top vents was not up to the challenge. I got a couple of drips from this location, mainly from the stitching around the velcro patch, during periods of hard rain, so I made another go at it with a bit thicker goo. We'll see if this works.

I have total confidence in this shelter and it will continue to accompany me on my solo 3+ season outings.

I have modded my Moment & crossing pole so it goes inside the tent and back out through the apex at the ends. It gives far more support to the canopy than in the exterior position.

@Franco Yes, I'll need to put the guylines on the pole in order to stabilize
Moment like Akto.

@Alex – sounds like a good idea to replace guylines with thicker cord.

/Jonas