Feb 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm #1269729
I had a really cold night at ~29 degrees on just my 3/4 Prolite Plus with Golite Ultra 20 quilt, Cap 3 top and bottom, nice socks, a Montbell Down Inner Jacket, light beanie and a balaclava, with my pack under my legs in my Contrail. I want to blame my coldness on the insulation underneath me. What should I add to take me down to 20 degrees? Do I need a Ridgerest? Or would a 3/8 GG thinlight do the trick? Something else? I'm on a budget, by the way. Need a lightweight solution for less than $40.
What do you guys think?
DanFeb 25, 2011 at 6:45 pm #1701683
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Just capilene pants? Maybe need something in addition. Maybe need some booties also.
Do you have a jacket or parka or whatever? Why don't you wear that also.Feb 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm #1701685
@babymattyLocale: Western/Central PA, Adirondacks
You sound like a very cold sleeper. What type of bag were you in? Did you eat well before bed?
I'm a very warm sleeper, myself. My setup for around freezing is a 1/8" GG thinlight underneath my neoair short, for an r-value of ~3. I use a bag with 10.6 oz of 750-fill down, and have usually been comfortable with that setup. I think you should just grab a few 1/8" thinlights, then experiment with how many it takes to make you more comfortable.
If all else fails and you're shivering in your bag, you could always heat some water and fill a platy with it. I often do that on any cold night, then leave it in my bag to warm it up until I'm ready for bed!Feb 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm #1701694
Edited originally post to show I had a Golite Ultra 20 quilt, which to me is more like a 30 degree quilt.
But no, that night I actually didn't eat before I went to sleep. Probably a bad idea, too. But I think I might add a 3/8 in GG thinlight and maybe throw on my R1 hoody at night and hope that works?
Planning on bringing that whole set up to the Roan Mountain area of the AT March 25-April 3 assuming the weather isn't forecast to be in the teens and lower. Otherwise I'm considering the Pinhoti Trail in hopes of warmer weather.
Inside a Tarptent Contrail:
GG 3/8 Thinlight
3/4 Prolite Plus
Golite Ultra 20
Cap 3 top and bottom
Montbell Down Inner Jacket
thick Smartwool socks
…should be more than enough for 20 dgerees, I'm hoping…Feb 25, 2011 at 7:31 pm #1701704
maybe a pair of 100 weight fleece pants and the R1?
Not sure how cold you were but I remember some people posting that the Golite Ultra20 was more of a 30degree bag.
One thought would be to sell the Montbell and get a Alpine Light parka or EB downlight hoody with the proceeds.Feb 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm #1701714
If you're anything like me, which your experiences lead me to believe you may be, the addition of a dual use sit pad/foot pad could work wonders.
Just putting my pack beneath my feet left them cold more often than not. Slightly chilled feet, for me, can lead to my whole body feeling cold, whether or not I really am. I cut a piece of 3/8 CCF about a foot by 10" or so…weighs right around an ounce, gets used whenever I stop for a break/meal to sit on, keeping my butt dry and warm, then when I stop for the night, it gets stuck into the bottom of my bag/quilt and keeps my feet and calves toasty warm. This in addition to my pack under my legs keeps me much warmer. For the cost of a 6 buck pad from Walmart that you can cut into any number of shapes and sizes, it might be worth a shot for you.Feb 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm #1701715
@funnymoLocale: Sunshine State
If you find the Ultra20 to be a 30degree quilt for you, then I'd say you are correct that the pad & pack are the problem.
You can probably get by w/a 1/8" thinlight to reduce bulk (& a little weight). But if the rest of your system isn't too bulky then the 3/8" is can't miss. You can probably leave the R1 at home.
RE: the Pinhoti…I've only done a section ending @Cheaha Mtn. but loved it. A year ago this week, actually! There were still ice & snow patches, but the daytime temps were very mild.
Have a great time and pls report back!
ToddFeb 26, 2011 at 10:30 am #1701858
add a zlite or ridgerest and youll be fine
the R values for those for the weight is generally higher than simple foamies
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