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PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 6:27 am

I can't seem to find any, but I can just be an idiot (which I suspect). Does any Ultralight or Lightweight brand or cottage company make real lightweight shoes/sandals for a camp shoe? I know that this kinda goes against the ultralite philosophy, but I think there is major money to be made here.

I like Crocs and their knock offs (I think they are ugly as hell though), but there has to be a company out there that makes something. Some swim and medical companies make ultralight slippers and such, but I was just surprised I couldn't find a backpacking gear company that made something along those lines.

Anyone know of one?

Thanks

PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 7:09 am

I was playing around with a flip flop sandal design I made some out of 1000d cordura bottoms sandwiched between 1/4" bevalite foam and 1.9 oz nylon top skin for the sandal. with nylon 3/8" or 1/2" webbing between the toes and the side and paracord straps.I made the bottoms sandal with out the straps and wore them inside socks like slippers with out the para cord straps and the white bevalight broke down so fast and flattened to paper thin in one day so it was useless.

Now if I could get of hold of some crosslinked foam they use use in bodyboards skins. Heat laminated
2 layers of 1/8th inch together I think we could have sandal that would roll up with a paracord straps 1000 d cordura sole that would not flatten out so fast. My old sources quit giving out samples of crosslinked foam .

So I am think of maybe the colored foam sheets available at Michael's craft store for foam cutouts for scrap booking might work.

William Moon BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 1:28 pm

This probably isn't what you had in mind but I bought some pretty light moccasin style slippers at Kmart. They weigh 8 1/2 oz per pair on my scale and cost about $14 if I remember correctly. I've been buying these for 3-4 years now and I get 1 or 2 winters out of a pair. I use them indoor/outdoor – I've even used them shoveling snow. I plan on using them this summer as backpacking camp shoes. Here is a link:

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_035B372669110001P?mv=rr

Mine have "Fireside" printed on the bottom.

Nico . BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 2:18 pm

I know nothing about these shoes other than what was presented in the BPL Winter Outdoor Reatailer show coverage but these look like they could fit the bill for you:

http://www.zemgear.com

look at their new 2011 line. they've got at least one style of "shoe" that is in the ~2oz range apparently.

Lawson Kline BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 3:25 pm

I wish they made a lightweight Chaco. That would be the perfect sandal..

scri bbles BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 3:45 pm

My Sprint Aquatics made it 3-4 overnight trips before wearing a hole near the big toe. Still not ready to throw them out. Don't expect your feet to stay clean in light dirt environments (I'm thinking early shelters on the AT in GA)…Certainly better than nothing and comfortable…

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 3:47 pm

"My Sprint Aquatics made it 3-4 overnight trips before wearing a hole near the big toe."

You can probably stitch them up with some Dyneema cord.

–B.G.–

PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 3:48 pm

The Zem's look pretty cool the Split toe reminds me of the wet suit booties the fisherman and some of my Okinawan surfing buddies wore in Okinawa, Japan when I was station there in USAF.

PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm

You could try the whole huarache thing.
There's lots of info and videos out there about the process.
I made a pair out of a piece of 1/8 ThinLight pad doubled over with paracord for laces.
I forget the weight, but that is probably as light as you could go unless you made some kind of cuben moccasins

PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 8:18 pm

I bought a pair of the Zemgear split toe ninja shoes. They are comfortable, although I have not tried them out on a trip yet. Fairly decent sole- might be good for stream crossings if you wanted to keep your shoes dry, as well as camp shoes. I am not sure why I bought split toe- because I don't like sandals that wear that way. If I was doing it again I would buy the regular ones.
Edit: Forgot to mention that a pair of size medium weighs in at 5.3 ounces

PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm

I owned 2 pair of SprintAquatics pool shoes. One pair blew out in one week's camp use on the Paria River in Utah. I still have the other (unused) pair. I'll never again take 'em backpacking. Absolutely NO protection from anything and they fall apart quickly. Suitable only for around the pool, as advertised.

BUT I used a pair of Walgreen's Chinese made very light, soft plastic sandals with an additional REI short 1/2" webbing & Q-R buckle for another, longer Utah "wading trip" down and back up Coyote Gulch.

They held up very well after 40 miles of creek and dry land walking W/a 30 lb. pack. Still got 'em. They weigh 10.8 oz. per pair with the REI nylon webbing buckle ankle strap.

OK,OK,OK, 10.8 oz. ain't real light but light enuf fer a constant use on a long wading trip whilst I carried my Merrill Moab boots on my pack most of the time except side hikes on layover days.

Eugene Smith BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2011 at 11:53 pm

Mark,

Check these out, they’re relatively light @ 4.6 oz., lightly cushioned, durable rubber outsole, 100% synthetic- would probably make a good camp shoe as well as town stop/ resupply shoe, as well as be something you wouldn’t mind being caught in public wearing. Crocs are hideous IMO.

Patagonia Advocate slip on

PostedFeb 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm

How much do the Zem's weigh? I was looking at ROUND TOE Lo size 11. Also what's the bottom like?

Amy Lauterbach BPL Member
PostedMay 19, 2011 at 3:50 pm

4.6 oz for pair of Zem Playa Low size Medium. This size will accommodate ( a snug fit) a Superfeet green size D.

5.0 oz for pair of Playa Low size Large.

Obviously, if you want warmth (i.e. socks) don't get the split toe model)

We just returned from six weeks hiking in Turkey using these as camp shoes. As it turns out we rarely used them. We tend to use camp shoes only when our hiking shoes are saturated and we want to retreat to dry shoes at lunch and in camp, and our trip was pretty dry. However, we did use them once for river crossing and a few times in the evening, and they worked out just fine.

The neoprene gives a pretty tight fit, I'd size up if you're unsure. Also, if you like support underfoot, by sizing up you can transfer your insole from your hiking shoes.

Advantage: they are thin neoprene, so they are quite warm – nice for cool nights. Also, the neoprene keeps the dirt out effectively.
Disadvantage: because they are neoprene, they don't breathe. When I've been in soggy shoes all day, I prefer to let my feet thoroughly air out.

I've also been happy with Crocs Cleo (7.4 oz in size Womens 9)
http://www.crocs.com/crocs-cleo/10043,default,pd.html?cid=240&q=cleo
The strap is hinged, so they are reasonably compact – MUCH more compact (and lighter) than the standard big ugly Crocs. Unlike the Zem Playa, the dirt gets in but wet feet can air out. Not usable for river crossings. More comfortable (IMHO) for walking than Zems. Certainly longer lasting than the Zems, but also heavier.

Curry BPL Member
PostedJun 19, 2011 at 2:37 am

late joining – i've been thinking of teh ZEMs since they were featured in teh soring new products article. problem is, teh new 360 (running) and O2 (all sports0 – both have a more durable sole- won't be avialbe now until mid-july – but that represents a dely from april 2011.

so i'm wondering about the durability of teh orignial series models , ie, playa or ninja. i've seen some reviews that state that teh outsole shreds pretty quickly inoutdoor environments.

Any thoughts by current users? or a recommendation for a UL camp shoe besides those already mentioned?

PostedJun 19, 2011 at 5:50 pm

@Lawson

definite not super-duper-UL, but these look promising!

Unshoes

as per his blog, his larger pair of sandals weigh ~14oz (which is less than one of my size 11 chacos)

PostedJun 19, 2011 at 10:25 pm

I've been on the UL camp shoe quest forever but continue to default to my crock knock offs. They are warm at night and dry quickly. I made a lame attempt to lighten them by cutting some foam away from the bottom of the shoes, but found it to be a lot of work for little gain. Perhaps with better tools I could have made a bigger dent–there is a lot of material in the heel areas–but for now I await the camp shoe break through.

Curry BPL Member
PostedJun 20, 2011 at 3:49 am

I'm preparing for a JMT or CT thru-hike to begin in July and I would like a paitr of lightweight camp shoes or to help out with river crossings, especially for the JMT.

I just found some lightweight slip-ons that may work. weights are total for the pair of shoes listed.

First, either the Skechers Bobs or Toms shoes, which are essentially the same. Both are part of the soles for souls charity that gives a pair of shoes to a child in need for every one of their shoes that a consumer buys.

They are essentially a really light weight canvas upper slip-on with a rubber sole. A women's US size 8 (euro 38) weighs 5.5 ounces with the in-sole removed.

Second choice is the Saucony Hattori minimalist running shoe. It's simialr to VFF, but without the separated toes, so much easier/quicker on & off. A women's US size 9 (Euro 40.5) weighs about 7.7 ounces, without cutting off the velcro straps. These run a litte small I think so I went up a half size from my normal running shoe size.

Third choice is the VFF women's Jaya. A Euro size 39 weighs 6.7 ounces.

All three are thus more than the 1-2 ounce ideas for making your own camp shoes from twine & insoles or from foam pads, but they are also a bit more of a "proper" shoe that is more durable and could easily be worn in town, on the trail if something goes wrong with your trail running shoes, or just to change things up if an injury is developing. I know carrying "just-in-case" gear is not strictly IAW the UL much less SUL philosophy and I admit to struggling with that as a UL newbie particulary WRT footwear, but when it comes to caring for my feet, I'm willing to carry a few more ounces.

I've been an endurance athlete most of my life doing marathons, Ironman and the like, so I have some old over-use injuries that have slowed me down from runnning as much as I used to do and I try to be mindful of my footwear and the demands I place on my feet.

I'm reading Ray Jardine's "Trail Life," and in it he states that he always carries back-up shoes that he could hike in, especially on thru-hikes or other long journeys where re-supply is limited.

Any thoughts?

PostedJun 20, 2011 at 5:15 pm

So, I finally have something to contribute to a forum question. I don't know if it will help, but it might.

So, years ago, I used to do an event that required biking, running, swimming, watermelon eating, lots of live music and beer, and tons of heat and humidity. The swim portion of this event required jumping into a bayou that ran through New Orleans. While I don't care about the water, I was worried about what was in the mud underneath. I wanted a pair of shoes that I could use for the swim portion of the event (and wouldn't soak up too much water). Similarly, I need a pair of shoes that would work for the 1 mile race in the middle, as well as the hours and hours of heat and music and beer. At the time, I was reading Ray Jardine, who carried 2 pairs of running shoes (one as a backup or camp shoe) when backpacking. I thought, why not turn an old pair of running shoes into a sandal? I got out my knife and cut out the tongue and every panel on the shoe that might absorb water, but which didn't appear to contribute to the function of the shoe. These shoes are ugly, but they worked to run in, to swim in (and dry out relatively quickly), and to hang out in all day. You know they fit (since they're old running shoes) and are comfortable. You can use them as backups and hike in them if you other shoes were to get wet (especially if, like me, you hike in running shoes). The original pair was 11.7 oz. I imagine I cut off a few of those oz. They seemed to me to be good hiking shoes….almost.

So, last year, my buddies and I went to Coyote Gulch, which requires a lot of hiking in the creek. I brought these shoes. They made sense to me. They worked great, until the glue that holds the upper to the outer sole started to fail. Running shoes, it turns out, are not designed to go through miles of pulling on the sole while wet. Eventually, the soles pulled completely off. I improvised by tying the sole to the bottoms of the uppers with the excess shoe lace (there was so much because I cut the tongue out.) Towards the end of the trip, I got fed up with dealing with this and packed to soles in my bag. The upper with all the holes I cut into it for weight savings and drying purposes made an ideal river shoe on its own. It was light, covered my toes and the bottoms of my feet, dried quickly, and had laces (so I could cinch it tight as needed.) In an emergency, I would not be too afraid to hike in these (although I would prefer a sole on the bottom for most hiking, I think the shoes would give decent protection from hard/sharp things on the ground.) I have not weighed the shoes, but I imagine that if you soaked a pair of running shoes in water for a day or two that the sole would come right off. You could test it our for yourself.

Of course, these shoes are absurdly UGLY.

Anyway, I hope this contributes to the discussion.

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