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  • #1267510
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    Wind howling, I find myself drytooling up a desperate dihedral, doing everything I'm capable of to avoid taking a fall…a 35' runout on nickel and dime-sized edges. I get to a decent rest spot, getting one axe into a thin crack, fumbling with numb hands to pound in a knifeblade below it. Anchor in, I'm screaming for some slack but realize my partner can't hear me over the wind. Unable to pull up the rope to clip in, I give up, settling instead for a rest on my fifi and daisy chain. I lean out from the wall, spindrift blowing down my collar, forearms screaming…we're in over our heads. Trying to pull it together, I stare into the white above.

    Suddenly I'm jerked back to reality, thrust into the present moment by an unexpected call.

    "Good Morning! Can you take our picture?" a middle aged Korean hiker asks.
    "Sure…", catching my breath.

    Daydream over, it's just another beautiful "winter" run up Icehouse Canyon below Mt. Baldy.

    Screw mountaineering sufferfests.

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    Microspikes and trailrunners freakin' rock.

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    Shirtless snow trailrunning! This is what we call "winter" 'round here. Strangely, everyone else was decked out like they were climbing K2.

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    Baldy from Icehouse Saddle (about 8 miles and +/- 7500 feet from the car).

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    Completely stoked on the day.

    Going back to run Timber Mountain next week, maybe snow camping with my son.
    Cheers, it's beautiful out there!

    #1682223
    Joe Clement
    BPL Member

    @skinewmexico

    Locale: Southwest

    That's sweet. A lot better than the sufferfest.

    #1682423
    Trevor Wilson
    BPL Member

    @trevor83

    Locale: ATL -- Zurich -- SF Bay Area

    Craig – Cool trip reports. Keep em coming. On a winter run like that, what all are you taking with you?

    #1682438
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    I'm not taking much of anything. The weather was good and I'm moving fast so I didn't need much; in fact, I took too much.

    On this run I had:
    shorts
    wool hat
    windblocker gloves (didn't need them)
    Patagonia cap 1 l/s (didn't wear for 30% of run)
    Marmot Ion windshirt (didn't need it)
    1 20 oz. water bottle
    camera
    NB MT101 shoes w/ injinji socks
    Kahtoola Microspikes

    I found what others were carrying to be pretty excessive; there were people up there in hardshells, down jackets, gaiters, mountaineering boots/w crampons, carrying axes, poles, snowshoes, and large packs…all for clear skies and sun. I guess people like playing "Himalayan Mountaineer" at the first sign of snow around here. But I guess the more you carry, the longer you take, and the more you need. If it takes you 3 hours to climb a 4 mile saddle, I guess you need all that stuff because you're out in the snow all day.

    #1682442
    Stephen Barber
    BPL Member

    @grampa

    Locale: SoCal

    "I found what others were carrying to be pretty excessive; there were people up there in hardshells, down jackets, gaiters, mountaineering boots/w crampons, carrying axes, poles, snowshoes, and large packs…all for clear skies and sun. I guess people like playing "Himalayan Mountaineer" at the first sign of snow around here."

    If you live in SoCal, when else are you going to use all your mountain expedition gear??? :)

    #1682455
    Brandon Sanchez
    Member

    @dharmabumpkin

    Locale: San Gabriel Mtns

    Yeah I used to wonder what people were doing with all their fancy gear up there but then I realized that they just want to use all their toys they paid a lot of money for or practice with them before a bigger trip. I got an ice-axe for christmas and went up there just to play with it.

    #1685044
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I need to hit this trail already. I've done Baldy a bunch of times but never ice house.

    You can get to cucamonga peak from Ice house right? Think I'll give it a shot soon.

    Great trip report! Making me feel bad for staying at home, sick in bed lol : “,jdemonaco”

    #1685050
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    Do not under estimate the southern California mountains. They can through everything at you the Sierras can. Avalanches, white-out conditions, cold, ice chutes, etc.

    Most of the time they are mild, as Craig's trip.

    #1685092
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    "Do not under estimate the southern California mountains."

    True. I know a guy that lost a toe to frostbite in an accident/storm on Baldy.

    #1685109
    Trevor Wilson
    BPL Member

    @trevor83

    Locale: ATL -- Zurich -- SF Bay Area

    Craig, thanks for the info on gear you took!

    #1685216
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    I wonder what would have happened if you had tripped and sprained an ankle?

    Cheers

    #1685218
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    I wonder what would've happened if I had spilled coffee on my lap and driven off the mountain on the way up there.

    Cheers.

    #1685229
    Nick Gatel
    BPL Member

    @ngatel

    Locale: Southern California

    > I wonder what would have happened if you had tripped and sprained an ankle?

    glissade back?

    #1685236
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    "> I wonder what would have happened if you had tripped and sprained an ankle?"

    Probably tape it, take an anti inflammatory, and self evacuate or continue the trip, depending on the seriousness of the sprain.

    #1685278
    Eugene Smith
    BPL Member

    @eugeneius

    Locale: Nuevo Mexico

    I wonder what would have happened if you had tripped and sprained an ankle?

    Eh.

    What's a runner expected to do when the entire point of the activity is to travel light… very light, push the pace, build endurance and challenge the body? Do you carry a first aid kit? Pack a shelter in case he/she injures themself and can't make it out? Bring insulation for the night in the event you become stranded, injured, or lost? If you go down this route too far you venture right back into backpacking territory and it becomes something other than trailrunning.

    Granted… a SPOT device, headlamp, and essentials only First Aid kit tucked away in a hydration pack might have been a safe(r) measure for a self-propelled alpine outing, but I think that quickly starts to encroach into the territory of backpacking and chips away at the core of what trailrunning is all about. Is one to pack a certain amount of gear when in the mountains regardless of the activity?

    I think you nailed it Craig, the more you take on your walk, the slower you travel, and the longer you are exposed to the elements. Year round, there are endurance athletes and conditioned enthusiasts alike who run the Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim in less than 24hrs., the fastest doing it in a smokin' 8hrs! Then you have others who take significantly longer (by choice and often physical limitation) to do so and due to the extended nature of their trip have to rely on overnight and multi-day permitting, food, stoves, shelters, insulation, and other "just in case" items and necessities to get them through their outing. These are tools necessary for the activity, this is backpacking.

    Trailrunning is a sport, backpacking in most cases is… dare I say (gasp), not a sport and this is the big difference between the two.

    #1685299
    t.darrah
    BPL Member

    @thomdarrah

    Locale: Southern Oregon

    Eugene +1

    When leaving my home each morning at 4:30 for my early road run I'm likely putting my life in greater danger then on the trip described in the OP. The roads are slick, its dark and drivers are less aware of someone being crazy enough to be out running in winter conditions at that time of day.

    I carry nothing but the gear I'm wearing and to often do not even leave a note regarding which run I'm on (I need to do better with this).

    I could slip and get hurt, or even worse I could get hit. Putting my trust in my others is not a comforting thought.

    I need to run trails more often, even in adverse weather conditions, it's safer then the road.

    #1685300
    Adan Lopez
    Spectator

    @lopez

    Locale: San Gabriel Valley

    Craig said, "I wonder what would've happened if I had spilled coffee on my lap and driven off the mountain on the way up there."

    Craig, youre right, get a spill proof cofee mug, its just not worth the risk man.

    #1685303
    W I S N E R !
    Spectator

    @xnomanx

    Well said Eugene.

    #1685638
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    "What's a runner expected to do when the entire point of the activity is to travel light… very light, push the pace, build endurance and challenge the body?"

    +1 How light depends strictly on the individual's risk tolerance.

    "Trailrunning is a sport, backpacking in most cases is… dare I say (gasp), not a sport and this is the big difference between the two."

    What is your definition of "sport"? Just curious, because the dictionary definition refers to a physical activity with a defined set of rules, often engaged in competitively. This would seem to eliminate not only backpacking, but non competitive running, including trail running, hiking, climbing, et al, but not such physically demanding activities as curling and shuffle board. Go figure. My definition is a bit more inclusive: Any physical activity undertaken for fitness and recreation. Competition has nothing to do with it, indeed often detracts from it at some point.

    #1742196
    Mike In Socal
    BPL Member

    @rcmike

    Locale: California

    Nice photos.

    A month before this trip report there was a day hiker who lost her life on Mt. Baldy. She was also traveling light. The Socal mountains can definitely bring the unexpected.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-mt-baldy-missing-hiker,0,1025976.story

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