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Hello from a beginner ultralighter in Oz.

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PostedDec 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm

Hello to everyone from Australia.

I am starting to get more and more into the light backpacking and was glad to find a wealth of info on this site for people who want to make it outdoors with less and less.

My background is Adventure Racing, and so I know the value of reducing weight. I just a have a few questions to start off, but I know that there will be more to come as I delve further and further into lightweight travel.

Most of my gear at the moment is quite heavy, with a few minor lightweight pieces crossing over from racing (headlamp, firstaid kit, etc etc) that I can use for camping. I suppose the best thing for me is pieces of gear that can be used in racing and also when I just go off for outdoor jaunts.

Stove:
At the moment I am using a Whisperlite International from MSR, but I do not like the fooling around with liquid stove systems so I will be retiring this soon and replacing with something a lot lighter, more compact and simple. Any recommendations? I would have originally thought about a Jetboil, but from the looks of a few topics on these forums, not many people approve of these systems? I don't cook anything while camping that requires complicated cooking processes, or even anything with complicated ingredients. Of course for racing I would like something integrated like the Jetboil, where I can cook while moving. Most of what I would be eating will be instant noodles, canned beans, and anything simple. But admittedly, I have never had any experience cooking anything else in any other way. Which brings me to my next question.

Nutrition/Meals:
What would people consider to be the most practical, easiest meals for simple, lightweight camping? I have heard a lot about ramen and similar noodles and I agree that these are good. But what about others? My main staple so far has been beans (but can you warm these in a thin-integrated system like Jetboil? I have heard it is a pain to clean afterwards). I have heard about vacuum bagged cooking… can someone please explain to me how this works, how you prepare them, and minimum gear requirements for preparing these? Are they simply prepared with a single pot and boiling water? I have done some looking into this method and the internet gives some confusing information about how healthy it is and how it is done. Obviously for racing, the more nutritious and healthy (but still simple) the meal, the better.

Tent:
At the moment I am using a Golite Shangri-la 2, but I have a few problems with this tent after using it for a while. For starters, I find myself doing more and more races (Rogaining and AR), where I either do not require my trekking poles, or they are not allowed in the race. This kind of dampens any space-saving advantage of this tent. Also, I find that before, during, and after a race, I sleep so nervously that I find myself knocking around the poles and partially collapsing the tent during the night.
The kind of tent I imagine myself needing is a simple single walled tent with no support poles in the actual floor. I am looking into the Bibler/BD range of single wallers, namely the Firstlight, Highlight, or their 4 season equivilants (I-Tent, and the other one which escapes my memory… with the large doors). Obviously in Australia I think a 4 season may be a bit of overkill, but I want the flexibility of being able to go overseas with it, and also snow camping in our mountains during winter.

Sorry for the wall of text! But any advice or previous experiences are welcomed.

Cheers!

PostedDec 26, 2010 at 8:16 pm

hi alon

welcome to BPL

i changed to a cannister stove (snowpeak gst-100) for ease and efficiency – works in lots of conditions and in the many places you cant light a fire – roger caffin did a most amazing series of reviews restoves of all type on this site

have been dehydrating food for a while – has been a good way to consume nutritious good food you cook at home while you are out in the wilds

other things

pack – golite quest for long trips and jam2 for shorter trips

sleeping bag – WM summerlite – has worked well on all my SA, TAS and vic trips

mat – neoair regular – nothing like a comfortable sleep

tent – tarptent moment – i would love to go to a tarp but the bugs in oz preclude this IMHO – i have been really happy with this tent

reviews on this site are great so read before you buy

cheers and good luck
nick

PostedDec 27, 2010 at 3:30 am

If you ever in Sydney come have a chat, I'm always informing customers about going lightweight.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedDec 27, 2010 at 6:39 am

Stove:

Any 3 ounce cannister stove, such as MSR Pocket Rocket is good.

You need some sort of wind screen too. Search for "canister windscreen" for several articles here.

I used to have MSR Whisperlite International – too heavy and too much hassle.

A Lot of people are happy with Jetboil, but it is sort of heavy. It's a little more efficient with fuel than 3 ounce stove, but it takes many days to make up for the extra weight.

Food:

I like these Nile Spice soups. They come in these paper cups you can pour hot water in, but I throw those away and put the contents into a plastic bag. Boil water in the pot, throw the soup into it, put on lid, wait 5 minutes, eat, rinse pot out with a little water.

James Marco BPL Member
PostedDec 27, 2010 at 7:41 am

A lot of UL or SUL camping implies some sort of lack somewhere. It is impossible to properly suggest gear without a general knowledge of what area's you will be going into, what time of year, where you will be hiking/camping, etc. You really didn't say. So, rather than an exact specification of stuff that may or may not suit your needs, the best I can do is recommend is some sort of systems approach to your gear.
A general system approach is often touted as the individual subsystems they encompass: Sleeping system, Shelter system, Cooking system, Clothing System, Packing system, Recreational system, Hiking system. Often overlooked are the Maintenance and First Aid systems. These are all subsystems, really. Probably some others I am not thinking of, offhand. Then we have the one other system that generally ties these together: The Usage system, or more formally the relational subsystem (the set of knowledge and techniques you need to use your stuff.) All of these subsystems define the general backpacking system.
For about 7 days out, the usual for a longish hiking trip, all of the subsystems are used. For short, overnighters, often first aid and maintenance items can be skipped by not bringing any physical items, but some thought is always required. Obviously, two different types of gear are wanted, but may not be needed.
One example: Shelter subsystem
1) Invoking a systems approach you should use the Usage subsystem and decide which parameters you will be packing for and you know how the gear is to be set up in use. A good example of a subsystem I forgot to mention, the planning subsystem. Plan your trip.
2) Once the parameters are decided on, I will decide on what type of shelter: small tarp, tarp/bivy, tarp/ mesh tent, tent or tarp and tent.
3) Count out the number of stakes you need, exactly. If you decide on a cooking stove that requires stakes, you might need a couple extra.
4) Measure and attach guy lines exactly.
5) If you need a hiking staff or two, this will affect your hiking subsystem, too.
6) Is your gear large enough for you? What about for you and a partner? Rain, high winds, calm, hot, all will affect your sleeping comfort, hence, your sleeping system.
7) Check for any possibility of dual purpose gear: stakes with stove? Cooking first, then set up the tarp will work. Rain? Probably not. A brief check will verify this with the cooking subsystem.
8) Roll up the gear as neatly as possible; it will add structure to the packing subsystem, conforming to minimum size and maximum size allowed by your pack.
9) Think about any emergency uses (the First Aid subsystem.) Often, a couple sticks rolled with a tarp into a sling makes good emergency gear.
10) Maintenance subsystem should be thought about and is satisfied with a small 4” piece of duct tape to cover any tears, usually.
This example is ONLY an example, and not a specific recommendation. Your gear will vary as will your needs.
This is not a specific gear list, in the sense that I will list which pack to carry and how to fill it for a weekend trip. Rather, it is a general process of selecting gear specific to any one trip you intend to go on. A systems approach will generally result in requiring a bit of knowledge about what your gear is capable of. And, what it can do when pushed to beyond it’s limits. For example: when you will need to supplement your bag’s warmth with a down sweater, or, select a warmer bag.
It will make you more confident in your ability to be out longer with less support. Or, go further with less gear. Or, simply to do more with the same gear. There are as many reasons for getting out as there are people. First, establish parameters for yourself. Set goals, then select gear and techniques to meet them. Whatever you select, it will be correct for the parameters you chose.

PostedDec 27, 2010 at 7:45 am

Welcome.

The Jetboil isn't too bad. It's great for boiling water. With the fuel it weighs aroun 19-20oz. They are coming out with a new version this Spring that is 5-6oz lighter. It is quick, simple, and idiot proof.

If you want something quick, simple, and pretty much idiot proof but weighs 8oz with fuel; then get the Trail Designs Caldera Keg-H system. Started using sometime ago and love it. Hope it helps

May the Road Rise to Meet You!!!

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