Dec 10, 2010 at 11:14 am #1266450
Wondering what you use for bear bags to hang your food…(in areas where bear canisters arent required of course). for short hikes that are only a few days I usually use a stuff sack from my sleeping bag. But what about longer trips that are a weeek, two weeks or longer? I have a mesh bag I use but it weighs 4.7oz. Wondering if there are any other bags you would recommend that are large enough for a substantial amount of food and lightweight?
DanDec 10, 2010 at 11:39 am #1672944
I've been using Ron's spinnaker stuff sacks (of varying size depending on trip length)- more hardy than I first expected, given how light they are. I add 50' 170# dyneema cord w/ a small nite-ize biner to complete the "system".Dec 10, 2010 at 11:53 am #1672950
Where do yo get those stuff sacks?Dec 10, 2010 at 12:18 pm #1672953
@truenorthLocale: San Francisco, CA
Check this out.Dec 10, 2010 at 12:54 pm #1672968
Thanks for the link….is that technique they describe pretty much a counter balance method? How does the biener/ stick thing work?Dec 10, 2010 at 1:11 pm #1672972
@forbesbLocale: Bay Area
The stick jams into the biner as you lower the bag after tying the stick in. It's hard to visualize, so check out this youtube video.Dec 10, 2010 at 1:16 pm #1672973
The bear bagging gear I use is:
– 50' of pure spectra/dyneema 1/16" cord (0.45oz)
– Nite-Ize #1 Biner (0.15oz)
– Zpacks Blast Food Bag (0.8oz)
The Zpacks Blast food bag is great. It's made from 1.5oz cuben which is bomber stuff. Rodents can hardly chew through this and it's far strong enough to hold whatever you can put in it. The Nite-Ize biner isn't essential, but it saves a little time for very little weight. The Nite-Ize ones are quite strong. I've hung 30 lbs of food with these and I've had other small biners fail with much lower loads. The pure spectra/dyneema cord is super strong and extremely light. It's the best stuff for bear bagging.
Regarding technique, I keep it simple with the basic throw and yank up technique. I clip one end of the cord to the food bag using the biner and then I just hastily tie the other end to a stick or rock (stick = easier) and throw that over a branch. Then I yank the food up and tie off the end. Usually if I have large food loads then I'm with another person and we usually have one person throw the food up into the air while the other person takes in the slack in the rope, so you don't need to actually drag it up and harm the branch. With smaller solo food loads (ie. sub 10 lbs) it's a non-issue. If food loads get really heavy (ie. 30 lbs) then it's best to use a thicker cord mostly to avoid damaging the tree. I have used this cord with no troubles up to 30 lbs, but I'm sure it cuts into the tree branch so it's not an ideal technique. At 30 lbs I need to use a stick to help me pull the food up into the tree because the thin cord cuts into my hands.
MountainFitter recently introduced a sweet bear bag kit with 1/16" (2.2mm) spectra cord, a roll-top heavy duty cuben food bag, Nite-Ize biner and a cuben rock sack. $46 is a sweet price for all of this. Get the 'pro' one.
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=39845Dec 10, 2010 at 2:13 pm #1672997
I use the blast food bag, although I do wish it had a roll-top.
I recommend 1.8mm New England Dyna-glide. It's specifically designed for tree use, it's stiffer, tangles less, and about as light as you're going to get for a line that wont cut into bark.Dec 10, 2010 at 2:21 pm #1673000
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"is that technique they describe pretty much a counter balance method?"
No. Everything discussed here is a single bag hang.
A counter balance hang has two bags of food that counter balance each other. Also, if you use the two-rope technique, there is no rope hanging down to be tied off.
–B.G.–Dec 12, 2010 at 2:30 am #1673450
@pittsburghLocale: Bay Area
Joe V. from ZPacks or Lawson from Mountainfitter both make great cuben food bags.
In fact, one of them has their own food bag hanging set-up which is prime.
When I first got Joe's Zpacks Blast bag, I was impressed right off. Tough, thick, light, rodent proof, it's my food bag of choice I'm using on the PCT this year.Dec 12, 2010 at 6:33 am #1673462
Just want to clarify that unless Joe at Zpacks has a secret, there's no Tom there. ;)Dec 12, 2010 at 10:12 am #1673520
@brianleLocale: Pacific NW
I think this depends on more than just "are bear cannisters required or not". Are bears much of a concern where you're going? How about rodents? I.e., what exactly are you most concerned about getting at your food?
For me the answer varies between cannister, ursack, ursack minor, occasionally hanging just a silnylon bag, and sleeping with my food, all depending on the situation and in some cases based on the fears, rules, or normal process of others that I'm hiking with.Dec 12, 2010 at 11:48 am #1673545
@jasongLocale: iceberg lake
do yall think a roll top cuben bag is odorproof?Dec 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm #1673556
I doubt it. Completely waterproof ziplocs often aren't.Dec 12, 2010 at 12:27 pm #1673562
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
I have some tall gas-proof plastic bags that termite fumigation companies provide for food storage. Nothing gets through that plastic "Nylofume."
–B.G.–Dec 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm #1674761
Would you go for the cylinder or rectangular shape?Dec 16, 2010 at 12:59 pm #1674769
@bcampriniLocale: Southern Appalachians
I like how the rectangular one opens up nice and wide, and the big 12.5" x 20" OP Sacks fit in it with some room to spare. Also, it slides into my 35" circumference pack like a custom fit. Surprisingly durable and rainproof so far too.
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