Nov 30, 2010 at 5:49 pm #1266094
I'm looking for one crampon that I can put on both flexible trail runners and plastic telemark boots. Impossible? Perhaps. These look like the best candidates. So
1) Anyone used the Contacts (with flexible center bars) with light trail runners? How they do, eh?
2) Same question for a light plastic tele boot, using the looong flexible bars, natch.Dec 1, 2010 at 1:58 am #1669641
eric chanBPL Member
i was in hill sound today buying their trail crampons and asked the designer and owner the exact same question …
i was hoping that the trail pro crampons could be used for both my mountain boots and trail runners
he expressely noted that they wouldnt and that bars if flexed enough would retain the warp, they dont spring back to their original shape over time
he indicated the Katooha KTS, noting that they had a patent on the multilayer leaf spring they use
now i know this doesnt answer the question about the BD contacts … but i suspect they would have a similar issue, ive heard that there might be more flexible bars you can get, but does it warp over time …
anyways it removes one set of crampons from the mix … the hillsound guys were very honest, saying that theirs would not be recommended outright … which is too bad cause it only costs $80 and weight like 680g
i got a set of the trail crampons insteadDec 1, 2010 at 7:49 am #1669717
Eric, oddly enough I emailed Hillsound two days ago and got the same response. Kuddos to them for being honest. I think BD licenses Kahtoolas center bars, but not sure about that.Dec 1, 2010 at 4:20 pm #1669927
Tom KirchnerBPL Member
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"I'm looking for one crampon that I can put on both flexible trail runners and plastic telemark boots."
You might want to take a look at the Stubai Ultralight Universal Crampon. It weighs ~590 grams the pair. I've used them with my Inov8 Roclite 390's on moderate snow/ice, and they are fine. I would assume they will also fit tele boots from their design. They are not meant for mixed terrain, or technical climbing, but for moderate backcountry use they are fine.Dec 1, 2010 at 4:50 pm #1669938
I appreciate the feedback Tom, if those worked on Innov8s then I imagine Contacts will work on LaSportivas. I do want steel, and BD has always had good CS for me.Dec 2, 2010 at 9:59 am #1670138
Spoke with BD CS earlier today. They recommended the Contact for trail runners, but though a crampon with a bail would be better for tele boots. I'm hoping to haul boots down to the mountain shop and try them both out soon.Dec 2, 2010 at 9:06 pm #1670345
Jeffrey McConnellBPL Member
I know there's at least a few people using BD contacts with trail runners on San Jacinto here in Socal. I know a couple people who seem to like the combo.Dec 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm #1670363
. .BPL Member
@biointegraLocale: Puget Sound
I have been using the Contact crampons ever since the first year they were in production and am very pleased with them, but have only used them on lightweight climbing boots (i.e. Garmont Tower GTX – older version) which have quite a bit of flex, but not as much as trail runners and I have the standard bars. Mine are also not stainless steel, as the current ones. I wonder how well they retain their sharpness with stainless – the longevity of their 'bite' was one thing that always impressed me about these. Mine are also the 'new-matic' version and may not work with trail runners because of a lack of heel lip. Nonetheless, I am intrigued by the idea.
As an aside, I have seen people using Grivel G-10's on softer flexing boots without complaint. I have a pair of G-12's which need sharpening currently, but do have the more appropriate universal strap system for trail runners.
I wish Camp made their Nano-tech version with Sandvick steel on all points, rather than just the front.Dec 4, 2010 at 8:22 pm #1670939
@achiralLocale: SF bay
I'll second on the Grivel G10 series. You can get them with a NewMatic binding which will work with shoes and boots.
Also, Grivel makes flexible extension bars that replace the normal stiff bars. This makes using crampons on tennis shoes, even with a large amount of flex, quite reasonable.
Although the extensions aren't spring steel, I see no signs of deformation after considerable use.Dec 12, 2010 at 7:52 pm #1673692
Ended up going with door 3: Camp Magix 10 point steel crampons.
They have a flexible, dual steel bar with a very wide range. They fit my size 45 trail runners and my mondo 28 tele boots just fine. The light rubber bots and unique underfoot points (which our local shop owner said really do reduce balling) sold me.Dec 12, 2010 at 11:13 pm #1673734
Nick TruaxBPL Member
@nicktruaxLocale: SW Montana
Would really like to hear your feedback regarding these after use. I own many a CAMP item (from quickdraws to Vector Nanotechs) and am curious as to these particular specialty crampons. Always appreciate your feedback!Dec 13, 2010 at 4:08 pm #1673966
Nick, should be able to give them a good work out this weekend. The rain we've gotten lately below 5000' should free into some nasty mank as the week goes on and the temps drop.Mar 28, 2011 at 3:16 pm #1716159
@chrisfolLocale: Denver, Coloado
Apologies for resurrecting a 4 month old thread but I just spotted the Camp Magix 10 on sale at Prolite Gear for $75 and was wondering what your opinion of these crampons are David, or anyone else who owns a pair?
$75 shipped seams like a nice price for a new pair of loaner crampons for the brother-in-law.Mar 28, 2011 at 6:10 pm #1716278
I like them a lot. Can't imagine a 10 point steel crampon being better, really. The anti-bot rubber plate things are quite effective, the points are sharp and burly, and the angled underfoot points seem to get the job done.
Best of all, they work with light trail runners and plastic telemark boots well, and are quick and easy to adjust.
I don't think they'd wear any quicker than any other steel crampon, which is to say wear would depend on how much rock and talus action they see.Mar 29, 2011 at 3:16 pm #1716752
@chrisfolLocale: Denver, Coloado
Cheers for that David,
I just went a head and ordered a pair.
For $75 I don't think I will find a better deal anyway for a pair of crampons.
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