Nov 18, 2010 at 2:13 pm #1265636
Im heading to the adirondacks after thanksgiving for a multiday thru hike of the northville-placid trail.
there probably is now, and will most certainly be some snow on the trail by early december. Im wondering if trail runners would be adequate for this. i've used snowshoes with regular sneakers to good effect before but only on day hikes.
i've done a good deal of winter travel and mountaineering before using plastics. it seems to be that your feet will get wet regardless of what kinds of boots you have so might as well use lighter trail runners.
I plan to use brook cascadia 5s so if you've used these in snow i would appreciate hearing your experience. I think that these with some beefy smart wool socks and good gaiters i should be fine. plus the trail is never that from civilization so i have a fair margin of error.
Lastly if your familiar with the trail or the dacks in general, i'd appreciate hearing about winter trail conditions. not current conditions, but what you experienced in or around the high peaks area.Nov 19, 2010 at 7:00 pm #1666241
Mike MBPL Member
these would be a good addition to trail runners, http://www.40below.com/product_detail_public.php?ProductID=4400
they get rave reviews and not much heavier than a pair of gaiters :)Nov 19, 2010 at 7:30 pm #1666252
I think you might need a dry pair of socks every few hours with just socks alone for your feet to stay warm enough.
You could try Gore-Tex socks over the wool socks, or a polypro liner sock, vapor barrier liner, wool sock(s), and waterproof layer (such as an oven bag)–oven bags could be vapor barrier too.Nov 19, 2010 at 8:33 pm #1666263
@nptfanaticLocale: Adirondack Mountains
Check out http://www.nptrail.org for hike planning and latest trail conditions. Your main problem is going to mud and water. There is a lot of recent beaver activity on the trail where the trail is flooded with no easy bushwhack available.
Call the EMS (Eastern Mt. Sports) store in Lake Placid and the Mountaineer store in Keene Valley for trail info in winter. Ask for Drew Haas. He has worked in both places and I'm not sure which one he is at now. He is a trail runner and knows the NPT well and will be able to answer your questions. There are links to both places on http://www.nptrail.org on the hike planning page under community resources. Good Luck. Tom – NPTFanatic and webmaster for nptrail.orgNov 21, 2010 at 7:15 am #1666569
great tip about the dedicated dry socks. i call them "sacred socks" they never leave my bag and i only wear them to sleep. i learned this for my instructor on an OB mountaineering course. it makes a huge impact on your ability to resist the cold.Nov 21, 2010 at 7:49 am #1666579
went up to upper benson piseco and placid this weekend on a little scouting mission. the above poster is right its really muddy and wet up there. not quite cold enough during the day yet. i might wait for january to do this trip. by then it will be cold enough to keep the ground dry. well not dry but manageable.
i also drove to the white mountains to try and find some snow. i found some but not enough to use snow shoes. i walked around for a few hour in the cascadias to get a feel for them in the snow. THESE ARE NOT GOOD FOR SNOW!!! at least without an overboot.
the mesh uppers are kind of weak, i wish they where a bit more water resistant. though they were designed to deflect water not to deal with snow melting on you foot. also the suede like materiel of the shoe acted like a magnet for snow and ice. i decided to send them back(love rei for that). not that they aren't great shoes. the sole is really rugged and they have great traction. but i cant afford these and overboots.
the 40 belows look great but i can buy real winter boots for that. plus i have gaiters so i feel that would be a waste. it does break my heart to send these back, but im exchanging them for the merrel lightweight winter boot(on sale!) they're cheaper and better suited for my purposes.
if i was doing a really long thru hike with the occasional bit of snow trail runners would probably do ok. but as this will be a snowshoe journey the light boots are probably better. i hate boots though so im a bit sad about ditching the cascadias. im really glad i decided to do a bit of scouting, saved me alot of trouble.Nov 21, 2010 at 8:19 am #1666585
Greg MihalikBPL Member
"Lightweight Footwear Systems for Snow Travel Part 1,2, & 3: Principles and Techniques for Keeping Feet Dry and Warm" by Will Rietveld and Janet ReichlNov 21, 2010 at 8:40 am #1666589
Mike MBPL Member
if you go to a dedicated snowshoe boot, look at the Merrell Thermo 6- has both thinsulate and polartec insulation, if your moving these will keep your feet toasty to very low temps
the gaiter d ring and snowshoe strap ridge in the rear are welcome additions
not overly heavy for winter boots either, been very happy w/ mineNov 21, 2010 at 10:45 am #1666615
Karl GottshalkBPL Member
@kgottshalkLocale: Colorado, USA
I day hike in mesh trail runners in the winter with snowshoes but I use a pair of SealSkinz waterproof socks with light socks underneath in colder weather so I don't have to worry about melting snow in my shoes getting my feet cold. It has worked well so far.
At the end of last winter when everything was getting icy I went to the Goodwill store and bought a cheap pair of hiking boots and put hex head screws in the soles for traction, but that is another story. I didn't usually use them with showshoes.Nov 21, 2010 at 11:07 am #1666622
those are the ones. they seem good for what i need. i will be in snow for 2 weeks so might as well go for the boots. the price is right anyway. if i had the cash id go for trail runners and overboots but i don't. those sealskinz look cool but they got pretty mixed reviews. i my experience things like that are kind of gimmicky. also with special sock over boots etc, you probably have the same weight in the end. well maybe not, but one specialized shoe might be better. the merrells are only 2lbs for the pair so i don't feel to bad about the weight. my main concern is blister/hot spots, which i never get with running shoes but often get from boots, especially hot spots. but i have never gotten blisters or hot spots from snowshoeing.Nov 21, 2010 at 11:16 am #1666626
thanks for the link but i would never pay to read an article that should be posted for free. though if you want to fine. it gives them money so they can maintain this site an keep the forums going. personally i have a problem with people selling information that could save someones life. though i understand that everything costs money and the staff here put alot of effort into what they do. i think i have their book which probably has some of that info in it. i won't pay for internet videos or software but i have no problem buying books. that just me though.Nov 21, 2010 at 12:24 pm #1666635
eric chanBPL Member
the question to ask is can you dry your shoes on a 2 week trip, they will get wet sooner or later
most winter courses and such recommend shoes/boots with removable liners so you can dry the liners
IMO … BPLers do this with trail runners, thicker socks (liners basically) and a goretex sockNov 21, 2010 at 3:27 pm #1666678
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> i call them "sacred socks" they never leave my bag and i only wear them to sleep.
Nice term for them too!
CheersNov 21, 2010 at 9:13 pm #1666805
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
i would never pay to read an article that should be posted for free. though if you want to fine. it gives them money so they can maintain this site an keep the forums going. personally i have a problem with people selling information that could save someones life. though i understand that everything costs money
You're kidding, right?
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