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Colder weather sleep pad recommendation

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Alexander L BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 3:34 pm

Hi all! This summer I cut my gear to the bone… only kept whatever I had made or needed for short trip warm weather summer treks (majority of my backpacking). I'm in Joshua Tree California, so were only talking SoCal winter stuff… but I feel that my MYOG 12 ounce summer quilt with 6 ounces of fill, and a Neo short are not quite up to the task of keeping me cozy in mid 20's to low 30's temps. In fact, I remember trying the combo out last year in the J-Tree national park down the street and was chilly when the temps dipped to 32… even in my BPL U.L. merino manties and wearing a Mont•bell U.L. down inner jacket. I'm lean and sleep really cold, btw.

Long story short… I bought myself a new Sierra Designs Nitro 15 mummy bag so that I could keep comfy in colder weather. Question:

Think I can utilize both my GG Nightlight Torso, and GG 1/8 Thinlight and combine them with the Neo short to stay warm in anywhere from 15-30 degrees? Or should I be looking at a new pad… I mean, I bought the mummy bag, so I don't mind getting a proper pad to go with it… Any pad suggestions for 15-30 degree night time temps? Should I just get a 4 season self inflating foamer? Thanks! -Thin Blooded

Eugene Smith BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm

Alexander,

I'd say yes to utilizing what you already currently have. My pad setup is very similar and I've done a snow trip with a 2/3 length Gossamer Gear Nightlight pad, on top of a section of Ridgerest with a 1/8" evazote pad underneath. I was slightly chilly by morning but managed fine. If you're planning on sleeping on dry desert soil in winter I think you'll be fine with a Nightlight, NeoAir and 1/8" ground pad if your legs don't mind having less insulation underneath.

Check out Bender of Kookabay pads, he makes some amazingly light insulated custom inflatable pads that will more than fit the bill for you.

James holden BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 4:03 pm

just use yr neo air with a foam pad … i do

works fine … total R value will be close to 5 depending on which foamy

Mike M BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm

I posted a similar question sometime back and came to the same conclusion (that eric has already proven out)- a neo air w/ a pad like the GG nightlite should get you into the teens pretty decently

I've been into the mid 20's w/ just a neo and a thinlight-that's w/ all of my clothing in a 30 degree bag so it stands to reason a neo + nightlight should be comfortable into the teens- add a thinlight @ 2 oz for more insurance

PostedNov 13, 2010 at 6:14 pm

I used the thinlight/neo short combo on a 27 degree night last month in the Adirondacks,and it worked quite well. Actually, the neo air itself was noticeably warm compared to the air inside my shelter. I think that the short-length neo air actually sleeps a bit warmer that the regular or large would, simply because there is 1/3 less air inside of it for your body to warm. Just a theory, but it seems to be something i've noticed since switching to the shorter pad.

Alexander L BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm

Thanks guys! I am gonna give it a try and experiment with adding the padding as the temps drop. I suppose I was hesitant seeing as I was chilled when I tried just the Neo and my summer quilt in 30 degree temps… my bad ;) For good measure, I went ahead and ordered a 2/3 length 4 season POE Peak Oyl Elite as it was on clearance… pretty much similar to as a Prolite Plus.

Konrad . BPL Member
PostedNov 13, 2010 at 6:43 pm

Hey Mike, what was the thickness of your thinlite? Thx

Mike M BPL Member
PostedNov 14, 2010 at 5:49 am

Konrad- it's the 1/8" one- just shy of 2 oz :)

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