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Amy Lauterbach BPL Member
PostedOct 6, 2010 at 8:01 pm

Introduction:

Two weeks ago I posted a trip report on our five week hike on the Haute Route Pyrenees (aka HRP) in France, Spain, and Andorra.
Link to the HRP Trip Report

This second HRP post is our gear list, with assessment of the gear.

In the past decade we have taken seven 3-5 weeks hikes in England, Wales and France; this HRP hike is our 8th moderate-distance European hike. We also do a lot of wilderness hiking in the US (CA and UT), and a fair bit of hiking in the San Francisco Bay Area. We have been tuning our gear list over the past 25 years. Our system works very well for us, and we now are to the point where we are only making minor tweaks and adjustments.

The Gear List:

PACKS
24.4 – Jim’s pack: ULA Ohm (with 19×10″ GG NightLight pad; shoulder strap pocket for camera)
35.0 – Amy’s pack: ULA Circuit

SLEEPING RELATED
63.0 – Tent: REI Quarterdome T2 2009, 6 stakes, silnylon bag
3.8 – Spin sheet ground cloth
17.7 – NeoAir pad x2
1.8 – GG ThinLight close-cell foam pad (60×10″x1/8″)
33.4 – Sleeping quilt (Nunatak custom quilt)

JIM’S PERSONAL STUFF
21.2 – ** Jim’s binoculars (Leupold 8×32)
1.3 – Plastic Bag pack liner
1.8 – 1.5 liter soda bottle- Jim
7.8 – umbrella – Jim (GoLite Chome Dome)
1.0 – Jim’s wallet + contents (money, credit card, medical card)
1.3 – Jim’s silnylon ditty bags (13×22 clothes, 13×17 food)
1.4 – Jim’s reading glasses + sunglasses

AMY’S PERSONAL STUFF
15.6 – ** Amy’s binoculars (Pentax 8×28 DCF MP)
3.7 – Trash Compactor pack liner + 2nd plastic bag (for sleeping bag) +2 rubber bands
1.4 – 1 liter soda bottle- Amy
8.2 – Gossamer Gear LiteTrek4 poles (shortened to fit in pack for airplane carry-on)
1.0 – Amy’s wallet + contents (money, credit card, medical card
1.8 – Amy’s silnylon ditty bags (11×21, 10.5×20, 8×12.5, 7×11)
1.6 – Amy’s reading glasses + sunglasses

MISC GROUP STUFF
8.1 – Bird book: modified (cut down pages and rebound in lightweight covers)
5.6 – Camera
5.4 – Food kit: 2 spoons, silnylon bag, spare plastic bags, bottle opener, corkscrew, lexan knife
18.0 – Info Pack: maps, guide book & route notes & bird list & pencilx2, pen & paper for notes
0.6 – 1 MSR towel
4.2 – SPOT tracker
2.4 – 3 more kleenex packs
2.4 – 2x 1.8 liter platy +spare cap

DAY-TIME DITTY BAG
0.2 – Quart plastic bag
0.6 – Body Glide
2.7 – 1 oz liquid soap resupply en route
0.5 – a few tylenol & aspirin, 2 benadryl (for bee stings)
1.3 – 1 pocket pack Kleenex tissues in pint ziplock
1.0 – Avocet altimeter watch
0.2 – Whistle
0.3 – Leukotape roll
0.4 – Chapstick
0.8 – Compass
1.1 – AquaMira water treatment kit in BPL bottles
1.5 – Sunscreen (1 oz tube topped off)

NIGHT-TIME DITTY BAG
0.3 – Silnylon stuffsack
0.9 – Pad Couplers
0.5 – toothbrush
1.0 – toothpaste (.75 once travel size good for ~13 days)
0.2 – comb
2.0 – body glide #1 + deodorant + toe rot ointment in snack ziplock
0.2 – dental floss (Dr Kens) + earplugs
1.9 – Petzl Elite x2
3.3 – More Tylenol, Aspirin, Pepto
0.5 – Allergy pills (1 claritin + 1 sudafed per day)
1.5 – 2nd tube of sunscreen (1 oz tube topped off)

FIRST AID KIT
0.5 – Aloksak 9×10″ bag
2.5 – Passports
0.8 – small bag with: lens cleaning fluid&cloth, 2x hairties, 2x rubber bands, spectra cord
1.2 – small bag with: bandaids, gauze, alcohol wipes, sewing kit, thermarest patch kit
1.2 – small bag with: 19x blister pads, 3x alcohol wipes
1.8 – Gorilla Tape, McNett ClearTape, Superglue
0.8 – Leukotape wrapped around Uncle Bills Sliver Grippers
0.4 – Spare chapstick
0.4 – Opcon Allergy eye drops
2.8 – 4 spare camera batteries

JIM’S CLOTHES
47.3 – ** Boots (Vasque Breeze GTX waterproof)
2.6 – ** Gaiters (REI Desert)
2.2 – ** Socks (REI mini-crew Merino Wool)
2.4 – ** Undertrousers
12.8 – ** Zipoff Pants
5.7 – ** Wool SS Zip-T-shirt, Icebreaker
1.4 – ** baseball cap
3.2 – Montane windshirt
9.1 – Wool LS Zip-Turtleneck, Patagonia
5.5 – Wool SS Zip-T-shirt, Ibex
2.1 – Socks (REI mini-crew Merino Wool)
2.5 – Synthetic Cuffed Beanie, gloves
4.9 – Silk-weight long-johns
9.9 – Nunatak Skaha down pullover
2.8 – Rainhat
7.4 – Marmot Essence Raincoat
3.8 – GoLite Reed Rainpants
2.2 – evening undertrousers
3.1 – evening silk sleeping shirt
2.1 – evening Socks (REI mini-crew Merino Wool)
4.0 – evening pants: BackpackingLight Thoroughfare
7.7 – evening shoes: sandals

AMY’S CLOTHES
28.3 – ** Shoes (Montrail AT Plus w/ green Superfeet inserts)
2.6 – ** Gaiters (REI Desert)
1.6 – ** Socks (Darn Tough 3/4 mesh)
7.6 – ** Columbia Snake River Shorts (old model with all zip pockets)
6.0 – ** Patagonia Island Hopper SS hot-weather hiking shirt
1.3 – ** underwear (Patagonia)
2.7 – ** brim
3.7 – Marmot Chinook windshirt (~2007 model)
4.0 – BPL Thoroughfare windpants
8.0 – Icebreaker Chase 180 LS zip turtleneck
4.8 – Montbell Thermawrap Vest
3.0 – 2 extra pair hiking socks (Darn Tough 3/4 mesh)
4.8 – REI liner Gloves & Smartwool Balaclava & Smartwool cuffed beanie
5.1 – IceBreaker150 long johns
8.5 – Nunatak Skaha down pullover
7.0 – Marmot blue Essence Raincoat V2, mens XL
3.7 – GoLite Reed Rainpants
1.5 – evening clothes: 1 pair midweight short SmartWool socks
1.3 – evening clothes: underwear, Patagonia
7.1 – evening clothes: Crocs Cleo sandals
1.7 – evening clothes: camisol

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TOTALS (in pounds)
36.8 – From Skin Out, total weight
18.4 – From Skin Out, per person weight

10.1 – Subtotal of **Always Worn** items (binocs and base clothes)
13.4 – Per Person Base Pack Weight (FSO less **Always Worn**)
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Post Trip Notes:

PACKS
We have been using ULA packs for years and we love them. We used to carry frame-less ULA packs, using semi-inflated Thermarest Pads in a tube to give structural support. But when we switched to NeoAir pads, that didn’t work anymore, so we’ve switched to ULA frame packs. Note that I tried the Ohm for a few days, but the hip-belt just didn’t work for my protruding boney hips; I really need a full wrap-around belt like the Circuit uses. Jim is plenty comfortable with the Ohm.

SLEEPING RELATED
We’re really happy with the tent, pads, and sleeping bag, and we use this same sleeping kit on all of our trips. We did have a half dozen nights with high winds and/or torrential rains, and we were snug and comfy in our little tent. We have not made the switch to a tarp or tarp-tent, and I don’t think we will; we’re quite happy to carry the extra weight in exchange for the instant setup rock-solid shelter.

PERSONAL STUFF
Jim carried the GoLite umbrella and used it for shade on numerous hot afternoons. One down-side of the HRP is that the snowy mountains force hikers into July-September window, but the lower altitude western and eastern sections are sometimes bloody hot. We’ve carried umbrellas on all of our UK and France walks and find them to be a very comfortable and convenient way to hike in wet weather. This is the first trip we’ve used an umbrella for shade and it worked well.
I didn’t carry an umbrella because I just started carrying poles (post knee-injury). Giving up the umbrella is one cost of using poles ☹

We carry binoculars in part because we are birders (we did see four Lamergeiers!), but I can’t imagine hiking without them. We use them to look at mammals, search for potential tent sites at distant lakes, scout off-trail routes, spy on campers in valleys below us, look at details of church architecture, etc. For you folks who don’t have binoculars – you’re missing a whole dimension!

MISC GROUP STUFF
On prior UK/France trips we often bought bottles of cider, beer and/or wine in town to have with our picnic dinners at camp, so we’ve added the bottle opener and corkscrew to our Europe hiking kit. However, on this trip, we purchased most of our wine at refuges, and we transferred it from the pitcher to a Platypus at the refuge. Once or twice we bought wine in shops, and transferred it to the Platy before leaving town. Since the shops can open bottles, we actually didn’t need the corkscrew for this trip. Next time, we’ll just carry an extra 1-liter Platy dedicated to wine.

We tossed our maps and guidebook pages as we used them, so by the end of the trip the weight of the Info Pack was down to near zero.

The SPOT Tracker is certainly not needed for “safety” reasons on this trip, it is not wilderness and we were always within a few hours of a refuge or paved road. We now carry it for the vicarious pleasure of our family and friends (and they carry it to reciprocate the favor.)

If I did the trip again, I’d carry a one-liter Platy dedicated to wine and a 1.8 liter platy for the few sections of the route where 1 liter of water per person is not enough. We did not need 2x 1.8 liters. The spare Platy cap is from the lesson-learned department – it’s really easy to drop a cap into a river and never see it again.

DAY-TIME DITTY BAG
Body Glide – We use this between toes to prevent blisters, and in hot sweaty weather to prevent chafing/rash where flesh-meets-flesh (i.e. buttocks). Great stuff.

Soap – we refill our little bottle at any shop/restaurant that has liquid soap in the restroom. Same for toilet paper.

We use the altimeter and compass for navigation. We have not adopted the GPS method yet, and for this route we found the map, compass, and altimeter were just fine.

Aqua Mira – we only used it a couple times. There is always potable water at refuges and villages, usually at shepherd huts, and often at developed springs in random places.

NIGHT-TIME DITTY BAG
I don’t think we ever used the flashlights. The sun set late enough, and rose early enough, that we were never awake when it was dark.

FIRST AID KIT
Fortunately the only thing we used from our first aid kit were the camera batteries and lens cleaning kit.

CLOTHING
Jim would take the same set of clothing if he hiked the route again.

I would not carry the second pair of underwear. And, on this trip, I never needed the Thermawrap vest; however we were very lucky and never had cold wet weather during the day, so I’d probably take the vest along if we hike the route again in case our weather luck faltered. I never needed the wool balaclava and wouldn’t take that next time. I shortened the hem on the Island Hopper hot weather hiking shirt in order to get better air flow around my torso; that worked out well.

We don’t carry sandals when we take wilderness hikes or shorter hikes. We do carry them in Europe. If the weather is foul (we had 14 consecutive days of serious rain on our 2009 Wales trip) and our hiking footwear is consistently wet and muddy, the sandals are good for pubs, restaurants and B&Bs. Also, after multiple days with wet feet I start to get toe rot, and being able to switch to dry sandals at every opportunity is even more gratifying than a glass of wine.

Jim’s Vasque Breeze boots were fine. He didn’t have a preference for Goretex, but these were the only boots he found that fit when he went shopping.

My Montrail AT Plus trail runners were plenty comfortable. I had to do some stitching half way through the trip when the seams started to fail, and my dental floss repairs held up. The traction was adequate, but there were plenty of times I would have preferred to have a grippy vibram sole. I’m not sure what I would do if I repeated the route.

Feel free to post questions/comments, or send a PM if you’ve got questions about our gear list.

Amy

Stuart R BPL Member
PostedOct 7, 2010 at 4:06 am

Kit choice is quite personal, influenced by interests and desired comfort levels.
You obviously have been on enough hikes to know what works for you, so I will limit my comments to a few general observations.

+1 on the tent. Weather is often unpredictable in the mountains and its preferable not to be forced down to the valleys too often.

Things I would add:

Cooking equipment and food! I like a hot meal and lots of peppermint tea to rehydrate at the end of the day (glycogen and H2O are stored together). Presumably you ate in the Refuges.

Ice axe, if early in the season. I was very glad to have one in early July as there were a few places where an un-arrested slide could have been fatal. I saw several people carrying crampons; the snow was soft enough to get by without but had it been colder overnight it would have been a different story.

There are several things that I would not take, but they fall into the "personal interests and comfort" category.

PostedOct 7, 2010 at 7:47 am

>>The spare Platy cap is from the lesson-learned department – it’s really easy to drop a cap into a river and never see it again.

Try the Evernew bladders — they have an attached cap, can't drop the cap…

PostedOct 7, 2010 at 8:17 am

Thanks so much for all the info. I've had my eye on that hike for a while, so this is all very helpful.

Also, my favorite note:
"If I did the trip again, I’d carry a one-liter Platy dedicated to wine and a 1.8 liter platy (for water)."

Scenery + good cheese, bread, and wine = good stuff.

Amy Lauterbach BPL Member
PostedOct 7, 2010 at 9:49 am

DaveT wrote: "Scenery + good cheese, bread, and wine = good stuff."

Slight modification:
Scenery + good cheese, bread, saussison sec, chocolate and wine = good stuff!

Nearly all of the shops on the HRP are tiny. But the French and the Spanish are serious about the five most important ingredients of a good picnic, and those things were available at every shop. High quality chocolate (not the junk food crap you get in small U.S. shops); locally produced cheeses and sausages; fresh bread; and a good selection of wine.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedOct 7, 2010 at 2:04 pm

> Scenery + good cheese, bread, saussison sec, chocolate and wine = good stuff!

+1! (The Brie is very good.)

Cheers

PostedDec 2, 2010 at 7:55 am

Hi, your gear list has been most helpful! I am planning on taking my north face chrysalis (15 degree down) sleeping bag when i hike the trail this summer. Do you think this bag will be too warm for the night temps during july and august in the pyrenees?
Your insight is much appreciated.

Amy Lauterbach BPL Member
PostedDec 2, 2010 at 8:17 am

Martin wrote "I am planning on taking my north face chrysalis (15 degree down) sleeping bag when i hike the trail this summer. Do you think this bag will be too warm for the night temps during july and august in the pyrenees?"

Martin, we had much more trouble with hot nights than cold nights. On most nights the temps were above 45 or 50; at the lower elevations on the eastern and western ends of the trip the night low temps were 60 or 70 or occasionally >70.

We had frost on only one or two nights, and that was very light frost. We generally camped as high as possible, so unless you have a different weather pattern than we had, you should be safe with a bag rated to 30 or 40. If you already own a lighter bag I'd go with something lighter. If you don't already own a lighter bag, then it all depends on whether you're looking for a good excuse to spend more money :)

We did have quite a few nights with fierce rain and/or wind, but not in combination with cold. I'd recommend a lighter bag; but make sure you have a shelter you can rely on in stormy weather (either a good tent or a tarp with the skills to set it up in a storm-proof manner).

Disclaimer, we've only been there once, and we don't know if we had an unusually long spell of warm weather or it was the norm for the region.

Stuart R BPL Member
PostedDec 2, 2010 at 2:21 pm

I camped beside this lake (2300m) in early July with a 30 degree (F) bag and was just fine.
Pic d'Arriel

Disclaimer: sleeping bag ratings are notoriously inaccurate

PostedDec 5, 2010 at 9:38 pm

Beautiful Photo! And thanks for the info. I cannot wait to hike the trail next summer.

PostedDec 5, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Good to know, thank you!

I think I will buy a warm-weather bag. Down seems to be lighter weight and cheaper than sleeping quilts. quilts are more expensive from what i've read. Is the sleeping quilt more advantageous?

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