UL way to creat more foot warmth in bag?

You could add down booties. Would that work? I think there are some around the 3oz mark.

yes, i was thinking this was lighter and nothing extra to carry…does anyone know if it will work?

I think that drawstring is to shorten the bag; otherwise, you compress the insulation and make things colder yet. If you are prone to cold feet, down socks are a great way to go. Some booties get too elaborate with walking soles, etc– not UL and bulky.

There is a BPL'r who was making down socks: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=27801

Leave the bag home, or tell her to quit putting her cold feet on you so it doesn't matter how cold her feet are….

It's not fashionable, heavy or costly but what I have found to work for myself (all temps) is simple plastic bags. I put one on each foot over the sock and hold it on with a rubber band around the ankle. Vapor Barrier Liner for the feet. I typically use the same plastic bag that held that night's dinner in. Double duty.

vbl socks. light, cheap, keep the foot box dry, even make good sock covers for around camp/keeping your sleep socks dry. warm.

+ 1 on down booties

Last year when I was ordering a PHD Ultra Down Pullover(awsome) they had some of their down booties on sale so I decided to give them a try. WOW, it would now be hard for my feet to get cold. When going out for an extended trip I add vbl(zip locks) to keep them from wetting out from sweat(they are that warm). I also wear them around camp at night if it is cold enough.

As far as PHD goes, they make very high quality gear, but it can be expensive(exchange rate) and takes a while to get here, but worth the wait IMHO.

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Jacks R Better down sleeves are a versatile item as they can be worn on the legs. 4.4 oz. regular size with straps removed.

Refried beans.

I think Everett and John have the best ideas in the thread. Either leave her ("The Bag") at home or eat refried beans and punish her at night. :) That'll learn her!

My WM Ultralite is longer than I need but I use tah space to put damp clothing and or as I did two nights ago a hot water botltle. ( Hard Nalgene type with a sock over it)
Usually I have some bread bags, those I use over coolmax socks then put my wet socks and wet shoes over them at camp and use the same bags over the coolmax inside the sleeping bag if I have to.
Last two nights I took with me my RBH and used those at camp (we were snow shoeing so I had wet socks at the end of every walk) and for 1/2 hour or so inside the bag. Got too hot after that but you don't sweat in them as you do with the plastic bags.
http://www.rbhdesigns.com/
Used the socks to walk over the frozen snow for my pee break. I had my pee bottle but wanted to have a look at the tents in the wind, however it almost stopped blowing as I got out and i was not about to hang around outside waiting to start again . And blowing it did….
Franco

One more vote for Goose Feet. One of our own here at BPL, Ben Smith is the creative force behind the down socks. I am delighted with my pair. http://www.goosefeet.webs.com/

old climbers trick is to put yr feet into yr pack, with your bag … only for very cold temps as there could be condensation … works best with syn bags

you could also use yr stuff sacks for your feet and the put that in yr bag

anything is better than frostbite … lol

I use a bag supposedly rated at 40 degrees all year round. I also have problems with cold feet, mainly because I am old(er). My solution is to wrap my fleece jacket around the bottom of my legs and feet when I get in the bag at night. It works in the winter here in Southeast Alaska.

What about taking the vapor barrier concept one step further and putting the cuben fiber or silnylon stuff sacks many already carry around your feet? Or you could wrap your legs up in your pack liner… but I'd worry about messing that up since I can get somewhat restless at night.

Unfortunately, being from Texas, I have no area to play around with vapor barriers and such. So take this for what it is, merely a suggestion.

EDIT: I almost forgot. I can say that I do like and appreciate vapor barrier layers because I was inadvertently using them long before I ever knew what they were called. I'm actually a huge fan of them for the their cost, weight, and bulk.

At an undisclosed location at an undisclosed time I was issued a winter jacket that some doofus had decided needed hand pockets at the last minute… so they were simply sewn to the shell with no insulation between the pocket and outside world except two layers of nylon. I found that on days when polartech (IIRC) lined gloves weren't enough that 3 or 4 latex gloves between the nylon layers of the outer pocket would insulate my hands very very well. At the time I didn't know why but it worked with lows of about 18 degrees Fahrenheit.

> does this work?
Doubtful

Best answers: eat a bit more high calorie food before bed and make sure your feet are insulated from the ground.
And wear a HAT!

Cheers