Sep 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm #1263365
@lurkinartLocale: The Wild.
I am "Beefing Up" a FiveFingers for Off Trail Expeditions.
These will be 10 – 15 days in duration, with a pack weighing between 26 and 34 pounds, sometimes over rocky and muddy terrain, in a pair of FiveFingers TrekSport.
Here is what I have in mind:
Using foam from a 1/8 ThinLight Pad to cover 90% of the exterior, for abraison and impact resistance. Then, adding a purchased or homemade Ankle Brace to be sewn to the uppers for ankle support. I am also considering modifying a SuperFeet insole for added support, but not sure if that will detract from the function of the FiveFingers.
Six questions for you guys:
1. Would Mcnett Seam Grip be the best Adhesive for sticking the foam to the shoe exterior?
2. Would Foam from a ThinLight be the best material for the Exterior? It needs to be lightweight, durable, impact, and abraison resistant, and perhaps waterproof, as I'm guessing the ThinLight will be.
3. Thoughts on what Ankle Brace to use or on the Ankle Brace in general.
4. Thoughts on adding a Modified SuperFeet to fit into a FiveFingers?
5. Anything else that can improve this setup?
6. Any flaws you see in this setup?Sep 16, 2010 at 1:27 pm #1646190
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Why bother? The product works or it doesn't. Without the right glues and materials I would expect them to self destruct— shoes take a lot of stress.
I appreciate what you are trying to do, but for all the time and trouble and the propensity for a mini-disaster, I would pick a strong, lightweight hiking shoe and have a good hike. Your five fingers will be there for trail hiking.Sep 16, 2010 at 2:07 pm #1646210
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
I agree with Dale. Adding ankle support to Fivefingers seems to suggest that they're the wrong tool, especially.
Thinlight is the least durable foam I've seen. It would get shredded in moments.Sep 16, 2010 at 2:13 pm #1646221
IF you want ankle support (which i think is unnecessary) go for a light pair of boots, like the inov8 roclite's at 13.5 grams Roclite 390GTX, almost the same weight as the five fingers.
Or just go for the five fingers as they are, people do huge distances barefoot or in hurrachasSep 16, 2010 at 2:21 pm #1646229
I don't know about 'almost the same weight'. My KSO FiveFingers are 299g for a pair and my RocLite 390GTX's are 735g…150% heavier. The treks are likely heavier than the KSO's but they can't be anywhere near the 390's.
I wouldn't use FiveFingers for off-trail travel. Even on trail I have a hard enough time not stubbing my pinky toe every 5 minutes.Sep 16, 2010 at 2:38 pm #1646242
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6. Any flaws you see in this setup?
It's a bit like converting a Smartcar into a monster truck, which is cool in a ridiculous kind of way, but not the best means to an end.
Since you're actually trying to improve the abrasion resistance of the exterior with nonbreathable foam, you might as well make the switch to leather. Check out the Inov-8 Roclite 400 GTX.Sep 16, 2010 at 2:39 pm #1646243
Treksports are listed at 13oz a pair. Is that rocklite number per shoe?Sep 16, 2010 at 2:54 pm #1646247
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Yes, Roclite is per shoe. I believe that's the standard way of doing it.Sep 16, 2010 at 3:04 pm #1646249
@erdferkelLocale: S. California
"Thinlight is the least durable foam I've seen. It would get shredded in moments."
Agreed, it also loses its cushioning almost immediately if you compress it. I had some strapped to the outside of my pack for one day and it now has permanent strap marks.
One warning, if your feet aren't already strong, a long trip will hurt. I did a 3 day, 30 mile in a pair of FF KSOs and my feet hurt a lot. By the third day it was tolerable, but not comfortable by any means. I also found myself looking at the ground constantly so I didn't step on even small rocks, which can be very painful.Sep 16, 2010 at 3:06 pm #1646250
@ktimmLocale: Colorado (SeekOutside)
These are pretty light 212gm
I've used them up to 20 miles in a day on rugged trails.Sep 16, 2010 at 3:35 pm #1646258
@nerdboy52Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."
The KSO Treks have more than sufficient front and bottom protection for a long hike –in my case anyway — much more than the KSO's. They really don't need any more top protection than the KSO's have already, IMO.
Walk around the neighborhood in them for several miles before you go.
Every foot on the planet requires a slightly different shoe configuration, however. For me the Inov8's have shoeboxes that are too small. They pinch my toes viciously.
I have never had a bit of trouble with the VFF's, however — certainly none of the ones described here. In fact, the VFF's solved all of my foot-related problems on the trail. I haven't even had a hot spot since I first put them on. I'd wear them to teach classes if I thought my students wouldn't laugh me right out of the classroom.
StargazerSep 16, 2010 at 3:42 pm #1646261
Is this a joke? All of that defeats the whole purpose of wearing a minimalist shoe…Sep 16, 2010 at 5:41 pm #1646292
@litebriteLocale: Canadian Rockies
I agree, this makes no sense to me at all.
This is like buying a superlight, frameless pack and then adding a frame and bulky hip belt.
You'd be much better off buying a product that is designed for what you need them to do. The Inov8's are a good example.Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 pm #1646296
@litebriteLocale: Canadian Rockies
In fact, you can go even lighter if you don't care about waterproofness:
8.7 oz each, these are as light as it gets for a mid.Sep 16, 2010 at 5:45 pm #1646297
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
No comment.Sep 20, 2010 at 11:48 am #1647242
@sbhikesLocale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
I think your idea will actually weaken the shoes.
If you really want to try this (and why not? Trying things is fun), I suggest you buy materials from a cobbler supply. You could get some soling sheets or boot soles. Or else, consider purchasing some cheap flip-flops and using the soles. Perhaps if you can find some very thin ones you could cut them to fit your VFFs.
For glue, you should use Barge cement. It is what cobblers use. It holds very well.
I'm not certain why you'd need ankle support so much as maybe protection from abrasion. Consider just wearing gaiters or long pants instead of affixing some kind of brace.
Good luck on your project.Sep 20, 2010 at 11:55 am #1647244
@simauliusLocale: Bohemian Alps
Injinji socks and gaiters.
I don't think that you would gain from anything else.
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