Aug 1, 2006 at 5:13 pm #1219159
Everyone has helped out tremendously! Converting to UltraLight. My bag is the last of the big 3. I am doing the AT section Hiking. In the Spring and Fall is the goal, when work permits. I am still in the Southern half, making 100 miles a section. Looking for 16 -24 oz. bag. I need your suggestions. Thanks! John I presently have a Marmont 15 Degree bag 800 fill down. How can I improve on this?Aug 1, 2006 at 6:08 pm #1360249
@pivvayLocale: Rocky Mountains
Probably have the same ~3lbs 15deg Marmot down bag I have! :) It’s weight isn’t killer but it certainly doesn’t pack down very small which really is needed with small packs.
If you’re a Western Mountaineering fan, their Ultralight is 26oz and a 20deg bag. If you’ve got extra clothes already and/or temperatures aren’t too low you could easily do the 16oz WM Highlight too.Aug 1, 2006 at 6:17 pm #1360252
I have a MontBell super stretch and I love it because it’s like the best of both worlds… it fits close like a mummy bag… which helps keep you warm… but it’s stretch baffles allow you to move around in it like a barrel bag. Apparently… the temp ratings on these bags are very accurate. Make sure to take into consideration how “warm” you sleep tho’. I’m a warm sleeper.
Anyway… TONS of options out there. Western Mountaineering makes some of the best. Also, if you want to go to a “quilt”, check out Nunatak.
I found the sleeping bag to be the most difficult decision. It’s the most expensive peice of gear with the most options out there to choose from!
If you have Excel (or Open Office) download this file from my site. I put it up for you. It’s an old gear list… but if you look at the last tab / worksheet… I have a side-by-side comparison of about 16 different bags in the 14-26 oz or so range…
While you there… if you’re interested… I also have a page about a stove that I made…
It’s different now tho’. I use a hardware cloth stand now and the windscreen is much tighter. The windscreen was way too big in my original plans.Aug 1, 2006 at 6:29 pm #1360256
Here is my comparison table in HTML… for those who don’t have Excel:
I did this about a year ago… so it might be a little out of date now. Also… my prices are in Canadian dollars and my ratings are in Celcius.Aug 1, 2006 at 6:35 pm #1360257
Jeffrey KucheraBPL Member
@frankenfeetLocale: Great Lakes
If you want to get light in the sleeping bag department I definitely suggest looking into western mountaineering bags.They only make down bags though.
Cheers, JeffAug 1, 2006 at 6:53 pm #1360258
Miles BargerBPL Member
@milesbargerLocale: West Virginia
Go to the Devotion page of Mountain Laurel Designs and take a look at the Devotion’s general concept and construction. If it interests you, email Ron Bell for additional information and/or questions about custom work (sizing, temp rating, etc.).Aug 2, 2006 at 6:32 am #1360279
Thanks guys! I’m all over your suggestions.
JohnAug 3, 2006 at 3:41 am #1360349
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> Looking for 16 -24 oz. bag. I need your suggestions. Thanks! John I presently have a Marmont 15 Degree bag 800 fill down. How can I improve on this?
An option is to buy/get/make a quilt to throw over this bag. One with a Quantum shell and about 300 g of 800 loft down. Include a foot box (single layer underneath) just to keep control of the lower end. We do this.
Roger CaffinAug 3, 2006 at 4:15 am #1360353
@garkjrLocale: Southwestern Ohio
Will you be carrying some sort of insulated clothing anyhow? (Something along the lines of a Patagonia Micropuff or similar.) If so, you may be able to get a lighter-weight sleeping bag by gettting one with a higher temperature rating (say, a 30 degree bag instead of a 15.) When temps drop below freezing, wear some or all of your clothing to bed, and wrap your feet loosely in a T-shirt, poncho, etc., to fill up the air space at the foot of the bag. You can probably add 5-10 degrees to your bag’s rating this way; if you sleep in a tent or a bivy (maybe, with a windbreak) you may be able to add another 5 to 10 degrees. I currently use a 40-degree WM Mitylite (hoodless, semi-rectangular) bag, and have successfully slept in a bivy sack, with a set of R.5 longjohns, R1 fleece, and balaclava in 25-degree weather.
You should, if possible, try this at home before you leave, just to be sure it will work for you (body type – warm or cold sleeper – will affect your success.)Aug 3, 2006 at 9:16 am #1360368
Might be an expensive combo but you might also want to look at some of Nunatak’s latest offerings.
They now offer a “elephant-foot”-like arc bag (for your lower torso) and coupled with they’re Skaha Plus you can use it as a multi-purpose sleep system. Nunatak also has a new full sized Arc bag named the “AT” that’s a little wider in the girth to accomodate more real-world figures or more ventilation options in the summer. I’m currently using an Arc Ghost and Arc Alpinist (both for the winter). This system is the most versatile sleep system I’ve ever used as I’m carrying 14 oz from spring to fall, 30 oz for winter (system can be taken down to -25 C with a bivy sac). That said, I wish I’d waited for the smaller Arc bag to come out cause I also own a Skaha Plus. Would’ve made the Arc Ghost redundant.Aug 5, 2006 at 12:24 pm #1360521
By the way John… you say you’re down to the last of the big 3… what were your choices for the other 2… the pack and shelter? Just curious. Mariposa Plus and Lunar Solo?Aug 5, 2006 at 1:06 pm #1360523
Eric NobleBPL Member
@ericnobleLocale: Colorado Rockies
Don’t forget the JacksRBetter No Sniveller Quilt. I love mine.Aug 5, 2006 at 1:32 pm #1360526
David….I’ve decided to go with the Mariposa Plus. I can’t beleive that they are out of stock. I spoke with a person from Gossamer on Friday, he was the only one there. Out to lunch they were. They are in a transition of making Small, Medium and Large. However, he told me that they put a shipment in and got a ton of Large with Small waist belts. Not me. Go figure. I was so hyped and now I have got to wait until Sept. or Nov. 2006. David…..after talking with the guy, which uses the Mariposa, he told me if you use the Z-lite (?), the 3 accordian pad for the back stability, it keeps the pack too far out from the body and only uses 1 or 2 sections. I’m starting to worry about this… He also said, if you don’t put something behind your back for support, the stays can dig in. I know you have this pack, I beleive. ALL replies are absolutely welcomed.Aug 5, 2006 at 2:07 pm #1360531
I have the regular Mariposa. The recommendation is not to use it with more than a 6 or 8 section z-rest… 8 at the max. An 8 section z-rest opens to 41.5″ long. I’ve used it with a 8 section z-rest and it seems fine to me.
I’ve also used it with a 3/4 length Thermarest ProLite 3 in the pocket… ever so slightly inflated… also works fine.
If you want, you could just use a 20″ x 10″ Gosammer Gear SitLight pad in the pocket and put your sleeping pad inside the pack or lashed to the outside. You could use this tiny pad as a sit pad. You do want something in the pocket if you’re using the stays… but the SitLight only weighs 1.4 oz.
Another option… if you want that added weight to be put to better use… would be to use a 3.7oz NightLight pad in the pocket and combine it with a 10oz Bozeman Mountain Works TorsoLite inflatable pad. You could combine the two to make a full length sleeping surface… the inflatable for your torso… the foam for your legs. This has the advantage that if your inflatable pad springs a leak… you can still use the foam pad.
So there are lots of options. Sucks that they are out of stock though. Personally… I think the regular one would be fine since you’re always going to be on open trail… and section hiking. The G4, G5 and Mariposa have all been used by a lot of people on AT thru hikes though the years. I notice that the plus is rated up to 35 pounds tho’… as opposed to 30. To be honest though… I don’t know if I’d want to carry more than 25 pounds in a Mariposa.Aug 5, 2006 at 2:21 pm #1360533
Ken HelwigBPL Member
@kennyhel77Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
John I will sell you mine for $80 including shipping in the price. Mine has a med./large hip belt. It is blue and has only been used once.
email at firstname.lastname@example.org if you are interested.Aug 5, 2006 at 3:51 pm #1360543
I’m still trying to figure this out! Thanks for the offer.
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