Sep 1, 2010 at 12:55 pm #1262881
I'm planning a two-night trip coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm planning to use an alcohol stove since wood-burning fires are not permitted.
I'm wondering how to best determine how much denatured alcohol I'll need to bring along to cover the required heating water duties plus a little buffer.
Here's the details if it helps.
Stove: 12-10 stove with Caldara Cone.
Pot: 1.3L Evernew
# of People: 2
# of Meals: 4/person + extra hot water for drinks/wash-up with meals (meals will be typical FBC style or pre-packaged backpacker meals).
I've used my Caldera Cone (w/ Inferno) quite a bit in wood-burning mode but have only cooked a couple of isolated meals using the 12-10 stove just to try it out. I don't really know what to expect for fuel consumption rates, so I would appreciate the input from anyone with more experience. Thanks!Sep 1, 2010 at 1:09 pm #1642303
Greg MihalikBPL Member
Figure on an ounce (weight) of 85% ethanol per liter of 40°F water.
So, 4 ounces.
You probably won't notice if you take 6 ounces, 'just in case'. But weigh before you go, and weigh when you come back. Then write that number down somewhere ;-)
My wife and I use the same setup, and typically we use less than an ounce per liter, for a rolling boil.Sep 1, 2010 at 1:13 pm #1642305
@jbmcsr1Locale: Rocky Mountains
I have a Caldera Cone that uses a K-mart Grease Pot which holds over 4 cups. I just used it for the first time, other than in the basement, up in the Rawah Wildreness Area at elevations over 10,000 ft. And I was impressed how effecient and frugal the 12-10 stove with Caldera Cone was. I boiled 2 cu of cold creek water using a little less than 1/2 oz of alcohol. And I boiled 4 cu of cold creek water using a bit more than 1/2 oz of alcohol.
I was really amazed by this stove/cone/pot combination.Sep 1, 2010 at 1:37 pm #1642315
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
I have the titanium Caldera that I use with the 12-10 stove and a 750ml titanium pot with lid. If I have everything working perfectly, I can boil 16 ounces of cold water using 1/2 ounce of S-L-X denatured alcohol. The Caldera typically wants to have a bit of air getting in the bottom, but no direct wind.
–B.G.–Sep 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm #1642318
Thanks for your input everyone; that's just what I needed.Sep 2, 2010 at 8:59 am #1642528
@apoxtleLocale: so cal.
i have the caldera cone with anti-gravity 3 cup pot. i really like this stove. i average about 8-9 cc of fuel per cup of water. it's a very fuel efficient stove and all i really use anymore.Sep 3, 2010 at 2:40 am #1642740
Dan DurstonBPL Member
Using the exact same setup as you (1.3L Evernew, 12-10 Stove, Caldera Cone). This afternoon I brought 500ml of water from 58F to a rolling boil in 7 minutes using 13.1g (or 0.58 fluid ounces) of methylated spirits (90% ethanol, 10% methanol). That test was done indoors. I would figure on 25% more fuel in the outdoors since it may be windy etc and to have a safety margin. Add another 25% more (by weight) if you're using pure methanol since it's less energy dense. The same indoor test with methanol gives me results around 17g.
Denatured alcohol is sometimes 90/10 (ethanol/methanol) but it can also be closer to 50/50. If you can, find the MSDS for your brand.
One ounce of ethanol weighs 23.3g, so I would figure on .75oz/pint boiled on the trail. I think that's a safe number. It takes less than double the fuel if you're boiling a liter/quart. I would figure on about 1.25oz/quart including a moderate safety margin. You may want to go 1.5oz per quart as it's your first time with this setup.
With 2 people, you'll probably boil 1 quart for the two of your for each meal? So that's four 1 quart boils, plus another 2 quarts maybe for hot drinks and another 2 quarts x half a boil for hot water, so in total you're got about 7 quarts worth of boiling. If you are indeed doing this much cooking then I would bring 10 fluid ounces or ~12oz if it's 50/50 ethanol/methanol.Sep 3, 2010 at 3:41 pm #1642877
Dan and Bryan,
Thanks for the added input. Dan, you're numbers are probably just about right for the water quantities for meals, drinks, etc.
This all helps a lot!Sep 3, 2010 at 8:20 pm #1642928
eric chanBPL Member
off topic drift a bit … but where is the best place to buy denat alcohol in the GVRD?
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