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Clayton Black BPL Member
PostedSep 7, 2010 at 8:48 am

Nice to hear from some guys living the dream even if they sound a bit cheesy :).

I'd be interested to know what else the testers carry in their Windriders. Please share if you get a chance.

Any more news on the design of a pack directed more towards alpine use?

Would be interested to hear from testers about high wind experiences in the Echos. I'm still looking for a solo shelter for slumming on volcanos between 13k and 15k but needs to hold up to some strong winds. I was leaning towards an integral designs wedge e-vent bivy but the Brooks range rocket is tempting also. Maybe an echo with an all e-vent bivy would work out. Feedback appreciated.

PostedSep 7, 2010 at 9:03 am

"You don't need to be a BPL member to post in the forums. You should go hound those PCT guys to post here."

"This gear is new and expensive guys, so it will take a while for the average user like you or I to chime in with a review"

Thanks Ryan and you are right. We are a new company and the gear is new. Cuben is an extremely expensive material and we wanted to make sure the gear will hold up the the thousands of miles thru hikers put this stuff through and they were still happy with the gear after putting it through hell. So given that we did send out a bunch of products FOR FREE, for guys to test on their thru hikes. As word got out some of the BPL members asked to get reviews from the thru hikers using the products this summer and post it on here. So good or bad that's what I asked these guys to do.

I will say that we have put a serious amount of time, energy, experience, and funds into the R&D of our products. We are trying to stand out as a thoughtful gear company that truly cares about the gear and its end users. As I have mentioned many times on this forum if anyone has questions please come to me and ask. There is no reason to slam anyone or anything on this or any forum. That"s not why these forums are here. If ever, there is a problem, you can assure I will personally be the one to address it and do what ever I can to resolve it. You have my word.

With that said, we do have a bunch of products in the right hands for reviews that will be published this fall. Either way, we are trying to spread the word and let people know that we are here and we are working extremely hard to make top notch products. If you owned one of our products you will know first hand what I am talking about.

I would personally like to thank the testers who took the chance on us and used the HMG gear this summer. Thank you for all the feedback and helping with the tweaks to insure the products were ready for the market. Thank you for all the hard work.

PostedSep 7, 2010 at 7:24 pm

I purchased an HMG pack about 6 weeks or so ago and have used it on many trips ranging from canyoneering adventures to 5 days in Colorado's San Juan Wilderness.

When I first received my pack I was impressed with the overall quality and construction. It was cleanly designed with all of the right features. Secondly, the fabric appeared to be bomber tough, which is important here in AZ, because none of the plants are friendly. I am just a hair over 6 foot and the large fits me well.

My first outing using the pack was a short, non-technical canyoneering trip to East Clear Creek Wilderness in AZ's rim country. It rained for several hours and the pack performed beautifully at keeping all my gear dry. Additionally, I had to swim a short section of water, the real test of a pack's waterproofness, and I was amazed that no water had got in the pack at all.

The weekend after that I took it to West Fork of Oak Creek in Sedona, AZ. Another non-technical canyoneering trip and it carried like a dream. It was quickly becoming my go to packMe and HMG

So, my HMG did well on overnight trips, but how would it perform on a multi-day adventure. Well, it just so happened that I had a 5 day trip to the South San Juan's planned and was determined to bring my HMG. I must admit it was tight but I was able to fit everything in or on the pack. I stuffed into it: hammock, top quilt, underquilt, clothes, food, cookware, headlamp, spinning reel and some other misc. items. On the outside I lashed: my rainwear, tarp, umbrella, fly rod, spinning rod, fly tackle, solar charger, sit pad and 2 liters of water.

The verdict:
The HMG carried exceptionally well despite me overstuffing the heck out of it. I had no sore spots and weight distribution was superb. I absolutely loved the waterproofness, being as though it rained and or hailed everyday. It was so nice not to have to slap a pack cover on every time the weather called for it.Just about everything I crammed into the pack

The only improvement I can suggest would be larger mesh pockets.

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2010 at 6:27 am

"Second paragraph says – "I was excited for the opportunity to test Hyperlite Mountain Gear’s new backpack on my Pacific Crest Trail thru-hike."….So, seems like he did say that he was given one to use."

That's not exactly unequivocal though, is it?

"This gear is new and expensive guys, so it will take a while for the average user like you or I to chime in with a review. Just think of these as a commercial."

I realise this forum is for announcing deals but I think using it to run viral marketing is probably not in the intended spirit.

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2010 at 6:32 am

"Either way, we are trying to spread the word and let people know that we are here and we are working extremely hard to make top notch products."

"There is no reason to slam anyone or anything on this or any forum. That"s not why these forums are here."

Well the forums are also not here for running advertising campaigns.

"As word got out some of the BPL members asked to get reviews from the thru hikers using the products this summer and post it on here. So good or bad that's what I asked these guys to do."

So, make it clear up front that they got the packs for free and post the reviews where everyone else posts reviews.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm

Hi Guys

Yes, this IS Gear Deals, but …

If you are posting a mini-review of a piece of gear you have been given for testing, please make that fact clear right at the start. We don't object; we just want complete transparency. We want the reader to know exactly what is going on.

As to viral marketing – we don't want that at all, but I do see a small distinction between an enthusiastic review and viral marketing. You can stay on the safe side by full disclosure: declare any connection to the manufacturer and how you got the gear.

Cheers
Roger Caffin
Online Community Monitor
Backpacking Light

PostedSep 14, 2010 at 11:28 am

kathadin summit photo--(left to right) Bama!, b (day 97), Mike

Hello everyone. Pleasure to make your acquaintances. Just hopping on here to lend a hearty thanks to the guys at HMG for so generously helping to outfit my recent thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail. Throughout the course of my 97 day endeavor they provided me with, for free, one hand-me-down prototype Windrunner pack, one crisp and clean white Windrunner pack (or "mosh-ee-mah-row" as I like to call it), and one Echo 1 shelter system, all without charge. And, just to be clear, did I mention that I didn't pay for any of these items?

I began my journey from the summit of Springer Mountain May 13th, unbeknownst to me at the time, the same day as Bama. And for the first 500 miles or so I carried with me a Go-Lite pinnacle pack before the prototype was handed down to me in Damascus, Va. Now, that pack performed splendidly for me, however, it was just a little too much pack for the fill of what I was carrying. The capacity was a little much and routinely had a good amount of excess pack fabric at the top of the bag that wasn't really getting put to use. Now this issue could have been easily handled had I decided to use a pack with a more appropriate capacity. But this just made the Hyperlite pack all the more preferred. From Damascus to Pennsylvania I toted the prototype HMG pack for its second 500 mile stretch. During this course the pack held up splendidly. I did have some requests, such as hip-belt-pockets (for snickers bars) and angled side mesh pockets (for easier water bottle retrieval), and when these requests were relayed to the guys at HMG these updates were quickly fitted into the next model of the pack. Mike, of Hyperlite, shows a sincere concern for the proper development and integrity of his products.

So from PA onward I had a brand-new Windrunner pack to call my own and boy I am glad I did. I somehow got in to the habit of walking long distances (12-15 miles) each day without breaking. I really didn't like to stop and only did so, begrudgingly, if I was desperate for water. My momentum and continual pace was very important to me on those habitually long days. And on rainy days these long stretches were only possible b/c I didn't have to stop to slap on a pack cover. What a worthwhile intuition, the cuben fiber. It was hard enough to get moving some gray, wet and cold mornings and having to stop moving only to put on or take off a pack cover can easily lead to an hour long break or more. Plus, I didn't even have to carry a cover at all, saving thankfully a few ounces. The capacity/size of the bag very well corresponds to ultra-light back-packing–at least it did for me and the concise amount of crap I carry. The pack's spectra fiber material held together well too. I dragged the thing across rocks. I slung it on my shoulders and/or dropped it countless times a day and no blemishes. I have certainly witnessed cordura canvases breakdown over less strain.

There were a few places where the outer mesh pockets tore when snagged on branches and such but nothing that compromised the pack's overall use. And one seam along the mesh pockets of the original prototype could have used a double stitch. But this predicament was cleared up on the next model that I carried. The second pack I had also was reverted to a different clasp system for the top pack closure which worked well but I preferred the compression straps from the prototype and it seems HMG decided on the compression version for the finalized Windrunner which is to me an educated decision.

The Echo tarp tent, which was also gifted to me, was a wonderful piece of equipment. It took a few trials, I will admit, but once I learned the proper pitches and angles for the corners of the tarp in different weather situations, I was very pleased with the product. I also was too arrogant to carry 12 stakes as the system calls for and instead carried only 10 to save weight. So sometimes the tarp wasn't pitched as taut as necessary. But eventually the Echo and I became quite familiar with one another. It was a quaint, dry haven for me many rainy nights. And when the three of us, Bama, Left Field, and I each had our tarps pitched in a row…what a spectacular sight.

Thanks again Mike, Dave, and Bama and anyone else involved in the Hyperlite Mountain Gear production process. My thru-hike would have fallen nil if it weren't for your generosity, innovation, and support. Thank you all who assisted me along the way. And kudos to all long-distance hikers out there this year–gotta give it to ya.

strongly behind HMG,
lower case b

Michael L BPL Member
PostedSep 14, 2010 at 12:05 pm

Arapiles,

I hear your concerns, but these guys came on here because members asked for more information and these guys, for now, were the best source.

Dandydan specifically requested them! And I for one am glad they showed up. I'll take some biased info over no info everyday. These guys don't know the protocols or rules, and as you can clearly see, as soon as the first guy (bama) was informed of them, he apologized and tried to be as open as possible.

I honestly felt it was pretty obvious that these guys for the most part were testers since they came on here after HMG was informed that people could post without paying membership dues. HMG even said he would go get them to post!

Mabye it was just because I have followed this thread from the start, but the posters to me have been clear and honest.

This thread has morphed from "Gear Deals" to where it is now. All of the discussion of HMG gear has remained all in 1 thread so you have multiple forum overlap in one place.

I realize it might not completely fit here anymore, but it nice to be able to find the feedback, new information, and what not on them all in one place.

I'm not trivializing your concerns, I just honestly feel that the criticism towards them and the alleged "viral" marketing is way overblown and unwarranted.

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

and as a great walker once said,
CHEERS!

PostedSep 14, 2010 at 12:59 pm

"I'm not trivializing your concerns, I just honestly feel that the criticism towards them and the alleged "viral" marketing is way overblown and unwarranted."

I don't think that it has been. A few folks voiced concerns that the reviews were coming from HMG staff, and asked for full disclosures, and the reviewers, once asked to provide full disclosure, did so.

So now we can get back to our regularly scheduled chat about toys and trekking :)

PostedSep 14, 2010 at 7:33 pm

Just got home from an 8 day hike last night and my Echo I had arrived while I was gone. I did a quick setup today but tomorrow I'll have a chance to really play with it and take some pictures. I'll probably start a new G Spot thread since all this HMG chat has been buried in the 'Gear Deals' section.

Rakesh,

From the looks of your picture you've got the front of the tarp splayed open a bit too much and it's pulling the beak in and compromising your vestibule space. Notice how the beak zipper is quite curved instead of straight. I would increase the height of your poles by 6" or so and move the corners inward a few inches to create a sharper angled A…just my $0.02.

Echo II

PostedSep 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm

I knew I was doing something wonky, because the beak was the only thing that wasn't fitting properly… but I wasn't sure whether I was pitching it too low or too high.

I'll raise it next time I pitch it… not having a yard and going through a major home renovation make it hard to just go out and experiment other than when I'm out in the field, but I'm almost done with the house, so I ought to have some time for myself again soon.

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 8:01 am

"I'm not trivializing your concerns, I just honestly feel that the criticism towards them and the alleged "viral" marketing is way overblown and unwarranted."

When the first few posts went up I also checked the gear out – it looked like Rayway/early GoLite but lighter. Hadn't followed it since then but there was obviously lots of interest and goodwill towards a new cottage gear manufacturer.

And if the reviews being posted were anything but 110% positive – if they looked like honest appraisals, warts and all – then I don't think I'd have any issues with it. So fo course, no problems with Dan's review/comments.

Re the marketing, if you run a thread check you'll see that Mike has been popping up in lots of threads flogging his gear – so I think that they've crossed the line. I don't recall GVP or Henry Shires doing anything similar.

And the latest "review" is kind of interesting … a first time poster with a Hyperlite banner?

Arapiles . BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 8:08 am

"As to viral marketing – we don't want that at all, but I do see a small distinction between an enthusiastic review and viral marketing."

I'd suggest that a Hyperlite banner was more on the viral side.

PostedSep 15, 2010 at 8:34 am

I would provide enthusiastic reviews too if I was given a pack and tarp that cost $250 and $500-700. I know one company I'd happily write a glowing review for if I got a free full dyneema pack. :) There's some useful info that can be gleaned from the sponsored reviews above, both good and bad. The best is that changes are being made based on feedback from the trail. Long term reviews from paying customers are what I really want to see.

Rog Tallbloke BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 9:15 am

"I'd suggest that a Hyperlite banner was more on the viral side."

Arapiles, I know you like a good whinge, but really, this guy is just trying to get his company going with some nice pricey kit and some reviews. No-one else seems to have a problem, and I for one agree it's good to see it all in one thread. So if the thread offends you, do us a favour, just stop clicking on it.

Cheers

Matt Allen BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 9:44 am

It looks like these guys are trying to get their company and products out to those who are interested. Nothing wrong with that. No need to be too critical. (negative)

PostedSep 15, 2010 at 11:06 am

I see no reason why Mr. HMG can't market his gear, its obvious hes providing what people need here-and a unique niche at that. These reviews would fit better in the review section, but the testers admitted to being gifted the items so no biggie. However, for organization sake i would like to see them in the review section, thats the purpose anyway right? So lets repeat them there, just copy and paste. In regards to the complaints, i think they are blown out of proportion, it must be crappy to live with such an opinionated mind DW, relax a little? Why does everyone have to be like Henry Shires or GVP?

Michael L BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 11:16 am

—"Re the marketing, if you run a thread check you'll
—see that Mike has been popping up in lots of threads
— flogging his gear – so I think that they've crossed
— the line. I don't recall GVP or Henry Shires doing
— anything similar."

Just checked. He started two initial threads. This one and one other that got moved to Gear Deals. The other died. This one lives on.

So he has posted 35 times with 1 in reply to Outdoor Retailer, 1 in a thread where his company was mentioned about lightest double walled tents , 3 on the other thread he started when he joined, and the other 30 times on this thread. So to accuse the man of "popping up in lots of thread floggin his gear" is just not right.

Obviously I put much more stock in Dan and Rakesh reviews than guys that got free gear, but like Eugene said…you can glean some from their feedback.

Travis L BPL Member
PostedSep 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm

Here's a possible solution to this issue:

Is there a way to display recent gear/company reviews in the same manner as new posts and threads? I like to see what is happening across the board, so I usually just click on "Recent Threads." This brings up pretty much everything, and I then sift through the stuff I want to read. From what I remember, gear reviews do not. They're in their own little section.

Though, then I guess the line blurs between The G Spot and Reviews…

PostedSep 27, 2010 at 11:58 am

Rather than hijack Dan’s Echo I thread, I created a new one for my impressions of the Echo II system
here

PostedOct 5, 2010 at 6:28 pm

Someone PM'd me inquiring about the Windrider — but I can't find the PM, I must have accidentally deleted it since I saw it first on my phone. :(

If you read this, sorry for not replying — I haven't had a chance to try out the Windrider yet, but I will be soon, because I'm thinking that I might use that when I go to Kilimanjaro early next year, rather than flying with my much larger McHale pack, but I still want to be able to take my 4×5.

  BPL Member
PostedOct 21, 2010 at 4:47 am

Hey All.

So, I gotta be honest here and say I am wondering "why"…

I am just trying to compare the Windrider to the popular ULA packs.

Specs from the website are as such:

Windrider:

Weight: 24 oz
Storage Volume: 2,600 total
Max Load Weight: 35lbs
Internal Support: Yes, foam? (from what was stated above I think)
Cost: $240

ULA CDT: (the smallest they offer)

Weight: 17 oz (7 ounces lighter than Windrider)
Storage Volume: 3,200 total (6,000 more than the Windrider)
Max Load Weight: 25lbs (10lbs less than the Windrider)
Internal Support: Yes, foam pad. (kinda cheesy one at that)
Cost: $115 ($125 less than the Windrider)

ULA OHM: (the smallest they offer with non-foam support)

Weight: 22.6 oz (1.4 ounces lighter than Windrider)
Storage Volume: 3,600 total (10,000 more than the Windrider – yet still lighter in weight!)
Max Load Weight: 25lbs (10lbs less than the Windrider)
Internal Support: Yes, carbon fiber u-rod
Cost: $175 ($65 less than the Windrider)

ULA Circuit: (the only ULA with the same max-load weight)

Weight: 36 oz (8 ounces heavier than Windrider)
Storage Volume: 4,200 total (16,000 more than the Windrider)
Max Load Weight: 35lbs (exactly the same as the Windrider)
Internal Support: Yes, carbon fiber u-rod
Cost: $200 ($40 less than the Windrider)

Now please do not think of me as some fan-boy of ULA. I will disclose that I own both the Circuit and the CDT and am thinking of trading them both in for the OHM. The Circuit suspension system is probably the best I have ever encountered, and the OHM has the same. But, it is kinda on the large size for the gear I carry. And while the CDT seems to be just about the perfect size for all of my gear, I am not sure if I would really want to do the entire PCT next year with it's lackluster uber-cheesy foam support system – it really is shameful to be honest. Granted it has a base weight of 25lbs, but still, that piece of foam they use is pretty much totally worthless. My rain pants are more stiff than that worthless piece of foam inside the CDT.

So I guess my question to all of you who have one of these Windrider's is the question… why spend one hell of a lot more money on a pack that just does not seem to really match-up with the ULA packs when it comes to these numbers posted above? I am just not "getting it".

Thanks everybody.

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