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    Dan Magdoff
    BPL Member

    @highsierraguy

    Locale: Northern California

    Hey all!
    I have a 16 day trip this summer into the Bear Lakes Basin in the John Muir Wilderness. the whole basin is off trail and there are a lot of lakes. We are gonna spend a week in the basin its self just exploring all the lakes, fishing and maybe summiting a peak or two.
    I have been trying to get information about the area as far as which lakes are good to go to, good fishing, specific routes to take within the basin ect, and haven't been able to find much out. I have talked to several rangers, trail crews and the owner of the high sierra pack station…all said it is a pretty remote area and that they didn't have a lot of info for me.

    I was wondering if anyone on here has been to that area, and if so do you have any useful information for me?

    On a whole other note… does 19lbs for food per person for a 16 day trip sound reasonable?

    Thanks everyone!

    #1621263
    Ben Crowell
    Member

    @bcrowell

    Locale: Southern California

    Wow, sounds like that should be a great trip!

    "does 19lbs for food per person for a 16 day trip sound reasonable?"
    Depends a lot on how energy-dense your food is, but it sounds like the right ballpark to me. I weigh 140 lb, and I eat about 1.4 lb/day of food. A lot of people seem to have incorrect perceptions about the relative energy densities of different foods. Nuts and oils are the highest. Salami, cheese, ghee and pesto are pretty good. Granola and jerky are very low.

    #1621272
    Chris Morgan
    BPL Member

    @chrismorgan

    Locale: Southern Oregon

    "On a whole other note… does 19lbs for food per person for a 16 day trip sound reasonable?"

    It depends – I would personally up that number to the 1.4lbs per person, per day to be on the safe side. I find that it is easier to do less food for a few days, but after a week or so, you're going to be wanting that extra food.

    So maybe eat a big meal the first day, then do 15×1.4?

    #1621275
    Mark Regalia
    BPL Member

    @markr

    Locale: Santa Cruz

    With that amount of time you'll be able to visit every lake several times over. I would try to include all the rest of lakes in that area. Marie, Rose, etc etc. There are so many. The area is spectacular.

    Which way are you going? Make a loop out of it, use the Bear Creek and S.F. San Joaquin trailheads. If you only have one car you can hitch and hike from Florence Lk to Bear Cr or vice versa. One time I exited at Florence using the ferry. I asked my fellow ferry passengers if I could hitch a ride to the road junction then hiked up to the Bear Creek trail head. Don't plan on driving to the Bear Creek Diversion dam unless you have 4WD.

    Here is a link to an old report I just Googled up.
    http://sekihiker.home.comcast.net/~sekihiker/BearLakes/index.html

    #1621285
    cary bertoncini
    Spectator

    @cbert

    Locale: N. California

    We went up Hilgard Branch and I think camped at Little Bear, just North over a Col from the main group of Bears (between them and Lake Italy)

    There is very good fisihing in there for Golden Trout–lots of surface action and not much to mess with flycasting if you go that route unless it is really windy. Some of them have very large trout. But lake fishing is so hot and cold, hard to say which lakes will be "on" and which ones "off" at a given time.

    #1621290
    Dan Magdoff
    BPL Member

    @highsierraguy

    Locale: Northern California

    Hey all!
    Ya I am thinking of bring a very calorie dense meal every 4 days or so.

    The trip I am gonna do is go out of Florence Lake with the Ferry…through Piute Canyon, through French canyon and then over Italy Pass. After Italy pass we are gonna cut over to the Bear lakes for a week or so. Finally we are gonna get back on trail around 7 gables. Then we are gonna cut across the JMT and over to Rose Lake and Rosebud lake. From there we are gonna go off trail again and try to scramble over to crazy lake and explore Chamberlin and Gordon Lakes. From there we are gonna hike out on an old indian trail down to the 4×4 hooper diversion road where we will have a car parked.

    I have hiked all over that area…all over bear creek…(was able to drive to the bear creek diversion dam with my truck that isnt 4×4) and been to all the lakes around there except the bear lakes area.

    #1621343
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    " find that it is easier to do less food for a few days, but after a week or so, you're going to be wanting that extra food."

    +1

    You should try to figure out approximately how many calories you burn/day, then subtract the amount of calories in the food you are bringing. The difference, if any, will come from body fat and muscle protein. Depending on body type and the amount of body fat a person has, they can usually get by for a week or more with a deficit of 1500-2000 dietary calories/day. After that, excess body fat may be exhausted and vital body fat surrounding organs plus muscle mass will be broken down and metabolized, with potentially dangerous results. I had this happen on a 16 day trip years ago and emerged weighing ~125#, a loss of ~13# of body weight. I was very lethargic toward the end of the trip and it took me a month or so of very high daily caloric intake before I got my weight and energy back. I learned afterward that this is a potentially very dangerous situation. I would recommend doing some homework on this one before you depart.

    #1621377
    Paul McLaughlin
    BPL Member

    @paul-1

    I have only been in there on skis, so my knowledge is a little skinny on how it is in the summer. But it's gorgeous in the spring, and I have seen lots of photos of the area in the summer, and you really can't miss in there – it's all nice. I came over the ridge from Merriam lake by way of what is sometimes referred to as Ruskie Pass. Merriam Lake is very nice – if you want to go there I think the easiest way over in the Summer is by way of Feather pass. Lake Italy is pretty nice, and Italy Pass. Going up the Hilgard Branch from Bear Creek to Lake Italy is very nice.
    If you check over on highsierratopix.com, you'll find lots of folks who have been in that area and can give you tips.

    #1622268
    Dan Magdoff
    BPL Member

    @highsierraguy

    Locale: Northern California

    How do you figure out how many calories you burn a day. I started looking up all the calorie counts for all the food I eat to determine how much I take in. But how do I determine how much I burn. If I were to guess id say around 3,000…but i really got no idea.

    I checked out that site for info on the bear lakes basin, but couldnt find much.

    My plan was to go from Lake Italy to white bear lake, and then set up a base camp and hike, explore and fish White Bear, Black Bear, Big Bear, Little Bear, Ursa, and Bear paw Lakes for a few days, then move my base camp, hike and fish and and explore Vee, Claw, Tooth, Gruff and seven gables Lakes for a few days. I feel like that would be the best way to see just about all the lakes in the area. Any thoughts on that general route?
    Tips ideas?

    #1622288
    Jim MacDiarmid
    BPL Member

    @jrmacd

    The Mayoclinic website gives estimates for calories burned/hour of a lot of activities, including backpacking, to get a general idea.

    #1622299
    Hiking Malto
    BPL Member

    @gg-man

    Dan,
    Order Steve Roper's "Sierra High Route." The route goes right through the area area you will be heading. I did this section last summer and it was a great trip.

    The only negative was that there were several large groups all converging on Bearpaw lake. This included a group of 10 college students, two boy scout groups and a guided tour of what appeared to be novice hikers. Luckily we hiked from the Merriam Lake trail, over Feather Pass and Gabbott Pass (north of Lake Italy) in a single day and avoided all the crowds.

    I can send you a gps route of the High Route if you want.

    #1622326
    Dan Magdoff
    BPL Member

    @highsierraguy

    Locale: Northern California

    Ill def check out the mayoclinic website!

    I have the book on the high sierra route…looked through it. It talks a little bit about the area…but just kinda breezes through it…

    #1622349
    David Olsen
    Spectator

    @oware

    Locale: Steptoe Butte

    I love that area. My favorite climb is Bear Creek Spire.
    If you bring a short dynamic climbing rope and a couple of
    slings, your can climb the spire from the easy north east side.
    Roper I think calls it 3rd class, but the exposure is great
    so I would call it 4th class.

    If you use the amazing cocoa and cheese diet, that should be
    enough food. If you are packing just raw foods, you may need
    more.

    Oh, also for quick evac, look at Mono pass.

    #1622851
    Dan Magdoff
    BPL Member

    @highsierraguy

    Locale: Northern California

    Whats the "amazing coca and cheese diet"?

    #1622980
    David Olsen
    Spectator

    @oware

    Locale: Steptoe Butte

    Bringing lots.

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