Feb 26, 2005 at 7:30 pm #1215924
Was wondering if anyone has any info, experience or recommendations with these fabrics. which one is better?Feb 26, 2005 at 10:15 pm #1335918
Neither material is “better”, they are different. If you are engaged in high output sports in cool to moderately cold conditions, it is really hard to beat Dryskin. Dryskin is more breathable that any shell material I have ever used, moderately wind resistant (significantly less than PowerShield), and surprisingly water resistant (slightly less than PowerShield).
In cold conditions (especially with strong winds) PowerShield is a more appropriate material. PowerShield is a bit more insulating, a lot more wind resistant. In cold (<10F) conditions with strong winds I get cold wearing my Dryskin softshell even when I am very active.Feb 27, 2005 at 10:36 pm #1335926
Hey thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is because I am looking for a soft shell to use for summer time backpacking in the Sierra’s. I would perfer that it keep in line with UL mantra if possible. Ive been looking at the MEC pamir or the feretta. Ive also been looking at the Ibex Icefall because it is on sale. Any recommendations?Feb 28, 2005 at 12:57 pm #1335929
I never see much about windstopper online, but yet it is found just about everywhere in stores. Does it breath well?Feb 28, 2005 at 1:01 pm #1335930
Does anyone make a Dryskin (non-extreme) garment? I was only able to find Dryskin Extreme (basically micro-fleece lined Dryskin) or Dynamic when searching for softshells. Yet Dryskin (non-extreme) seems like a good option to me. All of the weather protection of Extreme, but the flexibility of being able to provide your own, trip dependent, additional insulation.Feb 28, 2005 at 2:50 pm #1335932
Tony, Dryskin Extreme is not, I believe, a lined version of Dryskin. Schoeller use “Extreme” to indicate fabric variants that use Cordura instead of plain nylon in the fabric weave. So they are supposed to be more durable but otherwise no different. My Dryskin Extreme pants (MEC Ferrata) and hat (Cloudveil Four Shadows) have no lining.Feb 28, 2005 at 8:00 pm #1335935
My recommendation would be not to bother with a softshell for the typical summertime Sierra conditions. The huge win of a softshell is that it provides enough protection to keep the weather at bay while at the same breathing well enough that you stay comfortable while you are active. Most softshells (with the possible exception of Cloudveil’s Inertia) will be way too warm for typical summers in the Sierras while you are active. When you aren’t active, there are lighter options to stay warm/dry.Mar 1, 2005 at 9:07 pm #1335954
canyon steinzigBPL Member
@canyonLocale: Nor Cal
agree with Marc re summertime. superlight windshirt over a tee (smartwool or capileine) and a synthetic for lunch, camp safty etc.Mar 2, 2005 at 3:37 am #1335957
Alright, so no soft shell. What about a rain shell? Should i even bother with one?Mar 2, 2005 at 9:33 pm #1335970
My answer is that it depends on the weather conditions (mostly the temp) and whether you will stop and find shelter if conditions turn against you. During the summer it is rare for multi-day rain storms in the Sierras… so if you don’t mind stopping, you can find shelter and wait out the storm. Likewise if it stays above 60F (or a bit colder if you are one of those people who runs warm) you can keep warm by moving even if you are soaked. When you get to camp you can get into your quilt/bag and warm up / dry your clothing with body heat.
But I would NOT recommend this to most people. I have taken a number of trips where I had my rain shell but choose not to take it out to see how I would do without it. When facing light sprinkles I was happy with a light shirt and an unlined windshirt. But when it really rained hard and my windshirt completely wet out, I really wanted a rainshell. So unless I know it’s going to be consistantly above 70F (unlikely at higher eliv. in the Sierras) I bring a 5oz Rainshield O2 cycling jacket.Mar 4, 2005 at 4:43 am #1335983
Thanks for the advice Mark ill give it a try. A friend and I are planning to hike the length of the john muir trail around june or august depending on when we can get time off. I will probably carry a light weight umbrella and shun the rain shell.Mar 4, 2005 at 8:07 am #1335984
David NeumannBPL Member
@idahomtmanLocale: Northern Idaho
“It never rains in the Sierras” is certainly an old myth, but I’ll take my GoLite Wisp windshirt plus my Integral designs Sil Poncho for rain protection and shelter if my primary activity is hiking on trails.Mar 4, 2005 at 9:53 am #1335986
Do the Sierras get the same sort of afternoon thunderstorms that the Colorado Rockies do in the summer? I know I wish I’d had more substantial rain protection when I got caught in a rain/snow/lightning storm above the treeline in Colorado last year. I made some errors in technique that day that exacerbated the issue (and which I will HOPEFULLY learn from!) but I’m changing my “summer mountain” wardrobe from windshirt+poncho to rain jacket+rain pants going forward. Spectre pullover and Reed pants should come in at around 11oz, a little higher than windshirt+poncho but not by much.Mar 4, 2005 at 10:43 am #1335990
I lived the majority of my life in the Tahoe/Carson city area… Although I have not lived in Nevada for 15+ years, the East side of the Sierras is prone to Thunderstorms in the Late summer:) The old saying was, ” If you don’t like the weather, wait 15 minutes.” Late summer was like clockwork when I lived there… between 3-4pm thunderstorms rolled in. Now this was the Eastern side of the Sierras, not the Western side and I really can’t give good info on the West side…
IMHO, good rain gear should always be carried in the sierra:) and I realize that when I ThruHike the TRT this season that I will indeed need it at some point… As for the JMT, I have never hiked it, but my recomendation would be to still carry something:)
please remember this is my opinion and others may vary:)
Sorry if we drifted of topic,
KenMar 4, 2005 at 1:48 pm #1335991
Rick DreherBPL Member
@halfturboLocale: Northernish California
Ken’s description seems spot-on with my experience. It’s relatively rare to get summer/early-fall storms on the west side, and when they do happen it’s almost always because weather has pushed over the crest from the interior. I believe these are the weather patterns that give the desert southwest (e.g., Phoenix) its summertime wet season.
It’s rare, but not unheard of, for a summer storm to make it inland from the Pacific side, as occurs the rest of the year. Pacific weather systems are usually pushed far north that time of year. When it does happen, you can get two feet of snow, pronto, or at least a vigorous soaking.
When I think back, my raingear stays stowed on 90% of my Sierra summer/fall trips (but I always carry it).Mar 4, 2005 at 5:23 pm #1335994
Randy BrisseyBPL Member
@rbrisseyLocale: Redondo Beach, CA
The weather in the Sierras can vary from one extreme to another. One year on a month long trip down the PCT through the JMT it NEVER rained one minute but we had a very nasty windstorm one night.
On the other hand I remember a three week trip that rained 19 of 21 days. Then again I have had snow fall twice during the month of august on the JMT, once was 4 inches overnight and the other forced us off the trail at Lake Thomas Edison.
Our old mantra was that if there were no clouds at 9:00am the most we could look forward was thundershowers in the afternoon or was it about a ring around the moon at night?Mar 4, 2005 at 6:22 pm #1335997
My experience is the same as Ken and Rick. Less than 10% of my summer time trips (maybe 3% of the days) on the west side have had any rain, and it was typically light. Nearly all my eastern side trips (more than 50% of the days?) have had the typical afternoon showers a la what we used to get in Boulder. This is why I suggested that it is POSSIBLE to do without a full on rain gear IF you are prepared to adjust your plans.
Periodically there have been some pretty nasty thunderstorm or hail in the late afternoon which continued into the evening, but in almost all cases the condition clear up (to at least partially cloudy) by the next morning.
There are times there are multi-day storms, but it seems to me that this is a once every few years event, and it is pretty clear from weather trends that this is likely occurance.
–markMar 5, 2005 at 6:52 am #1335998
Ken HelwigBPL Member
@kennyhel77Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
What everyone has said is true about the Sierras. The most you will ever get is a thuderstorm in the late afternoon and maybe the odd rain for a few hours. The Sierras are inclined to have their own micro climate so anything can and will happen. The worse that could happen is that you hike in the rain or stay put at your camp. I like to do trips in Sept and Oct and last year I got caught in a freak winter storm in Oct. It caught a lot of hikers off guard and stranded a few groups. THis just shows that anything is possible there.Mar 5, 2005 at 12:03 pm #1336002
@jndavisLocale: Isle of Man
My Windstopper items are a pair of gloves and cycle leggings with a bib top. The gloves are excellent and always seem dry inside. Dampness accumulates on my abdomen when cycling in the leggings, but they are still a first choice for winter as the windproofing is excellent. Rain gets through Windstopper more easily than it gets through Roubaix. However, a cold wind stops my legs from working properly in Roubaix tights, hence my preference for the Windstopper.Mar 11, 2005 at 1:37 pm #1336089
This is in response to Marcus’ comments way above….
I finally found the article in which I based my original comments about Dynamic, Dryskin and Dryskin Extreme.
Here’s the quote…
“First, Dynamic is simply a woven mixture of Nylon and Lycra, while Dryskin adds Cordura for added durability. Dryskin Extreme further adds a Coolmax interior nap to promote wicking.”
I must have remembered interior nap as “lined”.Mar 11, 2005 at 1:51 pm #1336090
I have to wonder then if that article is not in fact wrong? Based on what I’ve read elsewhere they look to have switched the definitions in it of Dryskin (which I believe adds the CoolMax) and Extreme (which I believe substitures the Cordura).Mar 11, 2005 at 5:52 pm #1336095
I agree your correction makes more sense.
Schoeller Dynamic == strong lycra
Schoeller Dryskin == add coolmax interior
Schoeller Dryskin Extreme == Drykin plus CorduraMar 11, 2005 at 8:52 pm #1336100
canyon steinzigBPL Member
@canyonLocale: Nor Cal
I hiked the JMT two years ago in July and it rained every day. Every day. There was a typhon or something in the gulf of mexico and we had these long rain storms. Mostly it would come and go but I definently used by Packa. I poncho would work fine too. It’s really nice to have a small tarp like the poncho to string up when you stop for lunch. I say go with some type of sil nylon as it mostly willl sit in your pack, but if you need it you will be so sorry. Oh, also ,if you don’t use trecking poles you could take an umbrella. I use poles so this wont work. DONT HIKE THE JMT WITHOUT SOME RAIN GEARMar 20, 2005 at 4:18 pm #1336262
This is just a shot in the dark but do you by chance have a sister named Aileen and a niece named Brooksie?
I saw your post here and thought maybe this is the same brother of my old friend.
If it is or isnt could you email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
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