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Ankar Sheng BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 4:45 pm

I haven't been here long, but I've noticed a lot of people don't bring much by way of a knife. I'm guessing this is one of the polarizing topics as I'm sure there are other people like myself who never go into the bush without a decent knife and others who insist otherwise. To each their own, lets just talk knives!

Folder vs Fixed
I'm partial to fixed blades myself for the bush. Most of my cutting is on wood and the thin handles of most folders are extremely uncomfortable to use. Folders are generally lighter and don't need a sheath, but I like the security and accessibility of a sheath.

Carbon vs Stainless
I've heard a lot of debate about this, but imo unless you're in a salt water environment it's more about preference. Stainless does have a lot more carbides and greater wear resistance. For bushcraft I don't notice a difference, I'm mostly cutting wood with the grain which causes next to no wear. I do keep my edges extremely acute to excel at that job, so most dulling is the result of deformation, a rolling of the edge. Hardness and grain size of the steel affect edge stability, how ever some stainless steels form very large carbides which can tear out of a thin edge, not an issue with modern particle steels though.

I've heard a lot of complaints that certain steels are hard to sharpen, in my experience this is due to people not knowing how to sharpen. You don't need special tools, even a 99cent sheet of wet dry sand paper will sharpen the fanciest steel. And if you take care of your tools you shouldn't have to be sharpening out large chips and dents. I can restore the edge on my S30V stainless knife from not sharp (by my standards) to hair whittling in a few minutes on a pocket stone and a few passes on a leather strop. It's all just technique.

Grinds & geometry
Theres a lot that could be said about this, I find that almost every knife I've bought had an unnecessarily obtuse grind, and over all a disappointing edge. Even $500 knives, and blades from custom makers. I think this is largely due to competing to offer the best warranty, as "bomb proof" knives seems to be the latest trend.

My preference is a slightly modified "scandinavian" grind (like moras), just one flat bevel on each side that goes right to the edge. My modification is putting a second "micro bevel" on one side to make the edge a little thicker and more durable and quicker to touch up (less steel to grind off of a narrow bevel) without sacrificing the acute angle on the other side which lets me lay the knife almost flat like a chisel, giving the best control and power when carving wood.

Otherwise I grind the edge nice and thin on a belt grinder, giving it a mirror polished convex edge.

Best out of the box edges I've found are the Fallkniven F1 with a thin convex edge and believe it or not, Mora's. Sometimes they're a bit dull, but still has the traditional scandi grind, so getting them up to speed is a breeze.

Sheaths: Style & material
For me, as a hiker, there's only one choice, dangler sheaths. They hang below your hip belt. I don't like wearing a knife around my neck, or attaching it to my pack.

Sheaths generally come in leather, kydex or codura. Kydex, a hardthermoplastic thats molded to the shape of your knife is definitely the lightest. All can be made as DIY, kydex is pretty easy to and very forgiving.

The knife that finally made me stop buying other knives? A puukko from the Finnish maker Jukka Hankala. Stacked birch bark handle, hand forged carbon steel blade, and a leather sheath so perfectly made that the knife "clicks" into it. 6 ounces with sheath.hankala

For the city, a Buck Mayo TNT folding knife. CPM S30V blade, titanium handle. 2.78 onces.belt knives

Alex Gilman BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 5:32 pm

I have a few knives and each one is pretty specialized for its use.

My trusty dive knife that has actually been used to cut webbing and through a BCD in a rescue situation is a Wenoka Deep Sea Big Squeeze in Ti.

I do find that my Emerson SARK is my EDC and camping knife 98% of the time.

I'm not a huge fan of the single edge grind but I love the quality and utility of the blade.

I'm all for saving weight but I hate feeling like I'm limiting myself with smaller blades. Having said that, a SOG Flash 1 is probably as small as I would go for EDC/woods.

If you're talking fixed blade the ESEE 3 is a great fixed blade and you can use it to baton wood with a wood wedge technique without any problems.

Ankar Sheng BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 6:07 pm

I don't get why so many tantos that are only ground on one side are ground on the left side…

I've never used a titanium blade, how does it hold up? I'm under the impression they can only harden them to around 40-45 HRC compared to the ~60 HRC of steel knives.

If things are improved though these might be of interest to the BPL community
http://www.wtknives.com/neckknives.html
Titanium laminated with carbon fiber, they don't list a weight but I imagine they're quite light.

I'm not the biggest fan of RAT knives, or I guess ESEE is what they go by these days. It's a great company and I really like the owners, but the handles are too thin and boxy, I detest big choils on small knives and coated blades.
I have one of the Izula prototypes and it's a fantastic neck knife.

Alex Gilman BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 6:33 pm

Mission Knives gets their Titanium to 57-58 Rc. They make a great knife.

But those are designed for different uses than mine. I don't mind the softer edge as most of the cutting I do is to webbing and cord and it's easy to put an edge back on it.

ESEE 3 is a great knife but I do prefer my GF's Izula in pink :) I did a pink/black paracord wrap on it for her.

Shane S. BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 8:04 pm

Can't pass up a thread on knives! Here is my latest knife I'll be hitting the trails with this year, an experimental one of knife pattern….4 oz, 4" blade, CPMS30V, canvas micarta handle, Titanium tubing.knife

Brian Camprini BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 8:12 pm

I just posted this on another thread and thought I should put it here too–it's a great little knife:

I'm certainly no knife expert either, but I went to the BLADE show in Atlanta this weekend and kind of got spoiled. Not sure if I can ever use a junky knife again after handling some of the cool stuff there.

I asked some guys carrying knives worth thousands of $ for advice on a good, inexpensive, lightweight backpacking knife and they all unanimously agreed on a Dozier-designed Ka-Bar lock blade folder. I got one (Rob Dozier himself gifted one to my son actually) and I can say this thing is a sturdy little beast. They are going for $17 on Amazon. Only 2.3 oz on my scale and it has a little belt clip that could be removed. Mine's black with a regular silver blade. They come in several colors. Dozier's fixed blades are works of art, but much pricier.

Ankar Sheng BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 8:30 pm

Nice choppers Dan! That bolo (brkt?) looks pretty sweet.
Check this outNMFBM

My most ridiculous chopper

Thats a fine looking blade Shane. How long is the tang?

Shane S. BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 9:03 pm

Busse… unstoppable chop-o-matic!

The hidden stick tang is tapered and about 2 3/4" long. Handles are 2 piece with milled relief pockets for the tang. Guard is also Micarta.

PostedJun 9, 2010 at 9:05 pm

When the wife isn't looking I am going to one click buy this frm amazon. This knife looks great for the weight. Do u have pics?

PostedJun 9, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Brkt Golok is an awesome blade. Little Mini (or micro can't remember) Canadian piggybacked to the Golok sheath goes along for the ride.

Ankar Sheng BPL Member
PostedJun 9, 2010 at 10:05 pm

Does the middle tube go through the tang?

I've been wanting to cut off the rubber handle the Fallkniven and make a handle like that out of stabilized wood. Got some left over black micarta for a guard too!

I bet Rossarms has some good light blades.

I'm having to sell the Battle Mistress, I just don't trust myself with it. I feel much safer using a chainsaw even, that knife is just hazardous to use lol

PostedJun 9, 2010 at 11:02 pm

I think this knife has been mentioned here before, but I have one and it is on me pretty much all the time now. Great little knife: tough, sharp, light, small, cheap.
It is the Ritter RSK MK5. I got mine for $18 plus shipping.

Ritter RSK MK5

PostedJun 10, 2010 at 12:01 am

You guys don't forget the Bussekin's like Scrapyard and Swamp Rats..

I haven't seen anybody post any of those very reasonably priced and comparable quality blades here.

I'm still trying to convince my gf that I need a waki, but she ain't buying it(or letting me buy it as it were).

What will you use a freaking sword for she says? I showed her the video on the swamp rat page of a guy chopping down a tree with it. ;(

Shane S. BPL Member
PostedJun 10, 2010 at 10:05 am

Yes, the Titanium tubing goes through the tang and then flared into the handle. Inside the handle there are 2 additional 1/8" stainless pins going through the tang and about .125 into the handles on each side.

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Ankar Sheng BPL Member
PostedJun 10, 2010 at 10:52 am

Javn, there's a scrapyard knife in my group shot ;)

The thing about busse kin knives is, imo, they don't make great small knives. A knife with a 3.5" bl shouldn't have a 1" choil. It's just pointless, makes the knife longer and heavier for absolutely no reason, and you have less control when using it, unless you "choke up on it", but why the hell would you want to hold a knife like that instead of gripping it properly? Then the rest of them don't even have choil's big enough for a finger, so basically there's no getting your hand right behind the blade.

For knives that are supposed to be so high performance they sure do cling to style/tradition regardless of how it affects performance.

Having said that, I do want a busse sword lol. After all, were LONG overdue for a zombie invasion.

Shane, now THATS a properly done stick tang! BRKT put out a hidden tang "kephart" knife, it was a really short tang just glued in. No surprise they started falling apart under hard use.

Chris H BPL Member
PostedJun 10, 2010 at 5:00 pm

I caught the earlier review of Javan's knife, and it's made my new short list.

I'm saving up for one in orange, with the ghost scales. (Hopefully I won't loose this one…)

PostedJun 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm

nice!, I have a green version of it,how did you strip the black paint,and how do you sharpen it?

PostedJun 10, 2010 at 7:06 pm

Photonlight.com is selling a new Leatherman key chain multi-tool that weighs under one ounce and has all the implements I would ever need, including a short knife blade. Decided to downsize from my swiss army knife and ordered one for $16.

Shane S. BPL Member
PostedJun 10, 2010 at 9:38 pm

That is a good choice. I've been eyeing the new Leatherman PS4, it has scissors and pliers and weighs around 2 oz I think.

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