The Sidewinder Caldera Cone

bok choy! and awesome cone. WIll it work with the 12-10 alc stove or is this mainly for wood? It looks like he shortened the overall height…is this the case? and any decrease in performance?

Jeff:

Thanks for all the pictures and the nice writeup! Just thought I would jump in here with a few other comments.

1) Yep! We figured out how to get a "ULC" style cone packed into a shorter/wider pot. Turn the cone sideways! And as Jeff implied, we'll be calling this the "Sidewinder".

2) In addition to getting the cone and inferno and grate and whatnot in there, you can also get the 12-10 stove and fuel bottle inside the pot next to the cones.

3) This is similar to the standard ULC where you use the stakes in the lower position to hold the pot up above the stove the right distance and in the upper position for wood burning. I mention this because they aren't shown in these pictures. However, you should be able to eliminate the stakes and let the pot sit down low like this for esbit mode.

4) This isn't technically a "product" yet….as it isn't on our website, nor do we have literature for it explaining the stake stuff above or the packing stuff Jeff figured out. However we'll be pricing and positioning it as a Ti-Tri ULC for the Evernew 1.3.

5) Uncoated pots probably don't need the bandanna treatment.

6) The cone is almost full size, and consequently we can't detect any performance difference between it and a full size cone!

7) So far, we've only figured out how to do the complete Ti-Tri kit packaged in the pot for the Evernew 1.3. We can do a similar thing for the Evernew 900ml short pot as well as the Evernew 600ml short, where we get the cones sideways in the pot, but we can't get the stove inside the pot along with the cones for these smaller pots. However, if you don't mind packing the stove separately, or you are an "esbit/wood-only" type, then this will work perfectly for you for the 600ml and 900ml pots. We would be interested in any feedback you might have on this approach for the 600ml and 900ml.

Thanks again for the writeup Jeff!

Rand :-)

I believe I'm one of the early adopters for this design, and I absolutely love it. The TD guys have packed a lot of functionality into a compact package. It completely rocks in the inferno wood burning configuration!

Anyone know the weight of this system for a Evernew 1.3L? I'm looking for the weight without the inferno insert and floor.

here are a few weights, according to my postal scale:

Complete Multi-fuel Ti-Tri Inferno ULC Sidewinder (stuff sack, stove, REI TiWare 1.3L nonstick pot, two titanium stakes, empty fuel bottle, esbit stove kit with three esbit tabs, bandanna, soda can alcohol stove, measuring cup)
14.2 oz

Complete Sidewinder Kit, woodburning only (stuff sack,stove, stakes, pot, bandanna)
11.0 oz

Sidewinder – just the stove (two cones, mesh stand, stakes, floor)
4.3 oz (the footprint by itself is 0.6oz, so the minimum to burn wood is 3.7 oz, if you are willing to scar the ground)

I haven't weighed it without the inferno insert, because that's something I will always have along with me. The stove is currently packed away, so it's a bit of a hassle to drag it out just to weigh it.

Thanks JD. Very helpful.

Dan:

Sorry….this probably should have been on me…..was just now working up the web page for the Sidewinder for announcement during the OR Show…..and was revisiting this thread when I caught your question. A more granular breakdown of the Sidewinder components for the Evernew 1.3 are:

Sidewinder Cone – 42 grams
Inferno Cone – 22 grams
Inferno Grate – 18 grams
Inferno Stand – 4 grams
12-10 stove – 16 grams
Gram Cracker – 3 grams
Titanium Stakes – 9 grams/ea
Tyvek Sleeve – 3 grams

Hope that helps!

Rand :-)

Excellent. Thank you. I'm looking forward to the OR show coverage.

SideWinder just arrived in Middle Earth. This is a big one for the AGG 2qt pot, and it's a one stop shop for cooking!

Kit components (minus the fuel bottle and the tyvek sleeve for the grate I forgot to put in the pic):

In alcohol mode:

In Esbit mode. Note that I forgot to remove the Ti stakes before I took the photo, but they are not necessary and in fact reduce the stove efficiency. The pot just sits down in the cone like a regular Caldera:

In remote canister mode:

In wood cooking mode:

In marshmallow roasting/keeping warm mode:

Using a smaller pot (AGG 3 cup)

And best of all TA DA! Packed away:

All with the wood burning efficiency of a double-walled down draft gassifier ;) It can also be used on a top canister stove as long as you are careful not to let the canister over heat.

Wouldn't the "canister mode" as shown above actually be unsafe being that the delivery line is trapped under the cone and thereby subject to the trapped intense heat for which it was not likely designed? Didn't see that option on the Trail Designs website either. That's not to say it wouldn't work, at least for a while, but I sure wouldn't roll the dice with that configuration.

Hi All,

From another early adopter, I've had no problems with this stove – am about to give it another good workout, camping on the southern cliffs of Australia facing sub-antarctic winds for a week with nothing between here and the ice floes except a bit of distance.

I was asked to provide comment and weights of the Ti Evernew 1.3L unit on another forum. Here they are.

[edit – couldn't hyperlink URL, cut & paste below]

(typing as I weigh things up on my wife's Weightwatchers scale, I had no idea of weights either until I did this – as you can tell, I'm not exactly a fanatical U/L walker.)

System necessities (except for the matches)
Basic pot: 140g (EverNew 1,3L Titanium Pot, plain, uncoated)
Cone: 43g
Tyvek wrapper needed to keep cone coiled: 2g
2xtitanium pegs supplied: 12g
Emergency pack of waterproof matches in small ziplock bag: 10g

Fuel options:
Metho (all up wt = 40g plus fuel, 150mL = 120g => 160g complete.)
Soda can stove 15g plus small ziplock bag to keep burner from touching pot inner 5g
empty 150mL Nalgene fuel bottle and medicine measure: 20g

Hexy/solid fuel (the 'gram cracker' system, all up wt = 13g, plus fuel, 3 tablets = 57g complete)
Piece of scrap titanium foil and burner: 7g
Small plastic bag to carry unit/keep it together so you don't lose pieces (likely otherwise): 6g
Three Hexy tablets supplied: 43g

Wood: (all up wt = 66g.) (the Trail Designs Inferno system)
Base: 18g
Inner cone: 24g
Fire grill/damper height adjustment: 24g

Complete packed weight, with all options neatly packed in pot, but no fuel in bottle: 370g (490g including 150mL metho)
The two Titanium pegs needed to set the pot at optimum height = 165mm long, and do not fit in the pot. They need to be carried separately.

Packed size = approx 6" diameter pot x about 4" high = hang on, I'll get a tape. Exact size = 160mm diameter x 90mm high.

Note that the Titanium pegs need to be carried separately. A bit of a design flaw that could be eliminated by using three shorter pegs instead of two longer ones, but, as Rand at Trail Designs rightfully pointed out, his stoves are designed for UL backpacking, so people usually use tentpegs instead of carrying extra ones especially for the stove.

As I have a Mont Moondance II tent (very happy with it for three season use) and recently purchased Lightwave (with a massive vestibule at a price that couldn't be refused) and a Tarptent ScarpII (bought as I'll be camping exposed on Bass Strait headlands in a couple of weeks – recent weather justifies purchase,) none of these pegs fit (and, being aluminium, they melt at 600°C, below the temp of a wood fire flame!)

I'll need to carry the extra stove pegs, and, let's be honest, the best weight reduction I could achieve would be to lose the extra two stone I'm carrying, not the 12g of the pegs.

Rand was a pleasure to deal with

Cheers,

eddie

There's more feedback on the stove at the url below – I can't figure out how to hyperlink it.

http://bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4535

Here’s a hyperlink to the address above:

Bushwalk.com-Caldera Ti-Tri Sidewinder- Trail Designs

Thanks Eugene,

I appreciate you putting up the link – note that this is another forum (www.bushwalk.com – Aust'n site) not my personal one.

Thanks again, and;

Cheers,

AF

I know this is old, what fuel are you using to heat the 2 quart pot and with how much water.

I am trying to decide what I need to boil 6 cups in that set up.

will one esbit do it? how much alcohol?

I am trying to set up a group trip for 3 with up to 6 days between resupply so trying to figure out the fuels.

I use a 1.3 ltr evernew and depending on altitude it takes from 1.5 tabs to 2 tabs to bring a full pot to a boil.

Hi Mark,

Allow about 25mL-30mL of metho (alcohol) to boil 3 cups (750mL water) in an ambient temp of about 20°C (is this about 70°F?)

You'd have to boil the pot twice – about 15 minutes or so to boil & refill.

Hope it's not too late – first time in 6 months I looked at this post.

There's more user experience on this stove at http://www.bushwalk.com , but BPL surely has more users, being a US site.

CHeers,

ANdrew F