Osprey Exos weight insanity

Montbell honest? Ha! My MB UL SS Hugger down sleeping bag had baffles that were missing down.

We are talking about spec honesty, David. Product quality is a critical but altogether different issue, no?

Travis:

I was focusing on spec honesty — not product quality. Have you weighed your garments and bag and compared them to Marmot's published spec?

I once had a Marmot lumbar pack with a published volume similar to my $19.99 Eddie Bauer — but when the thing came, it wasn't even 2/3rd the capacity! And adding insult to injury, the dimunitive lumbar pack still weighed more than Marmot's spec.

Actually, yeah, I've weighed them all, and they've come out ok. However, my Montbell Super Stretch #5 weighed 2 ounces more than published!

Looks like our experiences are reciprocals of each other! :)

Benjamin wrote:
"I once had a Marmot lumbar pack with a published volume similar to my $19.99 Eddie Bauer — but when the thing came, it wasn't even 2/3rd the capacity! And adding insult to injury, the dimunitive lumbar pack still weighed more than Marmot's spec."

Oh, that is user error!

–B.G.–

Travis:

I'll file that in my mental database. The more the better. Got any SD tents that weigh right to specs as well? :)

Bob:

Heh heh…

I've got a Hercules AST laying around….my first REI purchase. I think you could roll down Everest like a tumbleweed in this thing and still be ok. Weighs around 9 pounds or so; I'll have to check the specs!

"We are talking about spec honesty, David. Product quality is a critical but altogether different issue, no?"

Well considering that the bag was to have 11oz of fill, I guess the spec honesty goes out the window as well, no?

In my experience, Mountain Hardwear has been the most egregious. Their Helion 2 was supposedly a 28 square foot, 2-person tent. But its actual floor area was 18-19 square feet. Their new Drifter (not UL, but an example) has a published floor width of 50 inches, but 2 20-inch pads barely fit, crammed against each other & riding up the walls of the tent.

Who knows about the original Exos specs? They probably printed hang tags based off of prototypes; maybe they weighed a small they thought was a medium and based specs off that? Maybe they thought they had the protos finalized, but then made some last minute changes? Who knows. What's cool is that they have stepped up and changed the specs. A lot of companies, such as Mountain Hardwear, have refused to do that.

One tent manufacturer quoted square feet. Of what? The number was much smaller than what appeared in the tent. They explained that it was the square feet under the canopy or rain fly. I thought that was a cop out, so that was one more brand that I will never buy again.

–B.G.–

Nemo is pretty bad for that as well. They confided that they measure length and wide from outside the shelter walls, rather than from inside. If dealing with sloped walls, there may be an issue!

Yeah. My Nano's over half a pound heavier than it's supposed to be, too.

Yup, Nemo are really bad, both in dimensions and weights. Still nice tents though.

I've removed almost all the extra straps from my Exos, but left small loops in their place so I can add some string or bungy if needed. I wish more manufacturers would make all their 'bells and whistles' removable. The Exos is the most comfy light pack I've worn, but has far too many extraneous dangly bits for my tastes.