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Apr 25, 2010 at 10:25 am #1258139
Telling us what we already knew.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/04/25/2703875/bee-exclusive-livestock-waste.html
Attempts to bring federal grazing policy into the 20th century (much less the current one) have historically been doomed to failure–so politically powerful is the cattle industry. I doubt that's going to change soon, but shining the spotlight on bad grazing practices is always welcome.
In the meantime, revel in the reality of that federal grazing fee the next time you camp at a cow-mangled meadow stream.
Cheers,
Rick
Apr 25, 2010 at 10:50 am #1601835As was somewhat pointed out in the movie "Food Inc"., we have 3 votes/day that could influence this.
Less cows eaten = less cows grazing.
Apr 25, 2010 at 11:03 am #1601837ewwwwww
Apr 25, 2010 at 11:13 am #1601846I'm not saying there aren't any pristine waters left, but I'll always run my drinking water through a filter regardless of where I am.
Apr 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm #1601942AnonymousInactiveIt ain't only bears that $h!t in the woods.
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:03 pm #1601952Blame beef.
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:05 pm #1601953"It ain't only bears that $h!t in the woods."
Yup. Hikers too. :)
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:09 pm #1601954You won't catch me squatting in a river.
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:13 pm #1601955Eh, just hold it. For the ENTIRE trip.
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:18 pm #1601957As an avid beef-eater, you can still do your part by eating Beef that is humanely, and environmentally raised. It's very easy to find in most places now. Also, you can limit your consumption. We were not meant to eat beef 7 times a week.
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:25 pm #1601959" We were not meant to eat beef 7 times a week."
Careful there Nate. That's flame war material to the paleolithic diet fanatics!
Apr 25, 2010 at 5:26 pm #1601960"Total grazing fees last year came to $168,942 – just $3.33 per animal – less than a latte.
The Forest Service takes in so little from grazing, the U.S. Government Accountability Office has reported, that it loses millions of dollars administering the national program. "The public pays to have cows contaminate the water," said Buckley, the nonprofit director."
Thanks a lot for the article. Grazing on public lands should be shut down for the most part in my opinion. That Yost character isn't someone that I agree with.
And to think that cattle raised on public land is sometimes sold as "environmentally friendly", grass fed beef. Screw that!
Apr 25, 2010 at 6:50 pm #1601989"And to think that cattle raised on public land is sometimes sold as "environmentally friendly", grass fed beef. Screw that!"
They all emit obscene amounts of methane, which is, like, 25 times worse for carbon emissions than CO2. nasty water and possible global warming bad guys. Vegetarians unite to save the planet :)
It's certainly not just an American problem :( In NZ, they actually discussed hitting the farmers with a 'belch tax', as well as much stricter measures to reduce effluent in our water ways.
Apr 25, 2010 at 7:43 pm #1602008AnonymousInactive"It's certainly not just an American problem"
If you want to size the problem, think India.
Apr 25, 2010 at 7:45 pm #1602009AnonymousInactive"You won't catch me squatting in a river."
Think of the toilet paper you could save. ;}
Apr 25, 2010 at 8:26 pm #1602022Apr 25, 2010 at 9:15 pm #1602041It would be interesting to see what everyones attitude would be if they made a movie about Dogs and the potential mess they make in the backcountry water systems-
Maybe its not an issue or maybe we don't want to hear about it?Apr 25, 2010 at 9:27 pm #1602044Oh, I never said I don't squat in rivers.
I just said you'll never catch me. :)
Apr 25, 2010 at 9:49 pm #1602055""You won't catch me squatting in a river."
Think of the toilet paper you could save. ;}
"Dammit Tom — how many times do I have to say this? You do NOT need a river to save on toilet paper! :)
Apr 25, 2010 at 10:53 pm #1602070"It would be interesting to see what everyones attitude would be if they made a movie about Dogs and the potential mess they make in the backcountry water systems-
Maybe its not an issue or maybe we don't want to hear about it?"National Parks generally don't allow dogs in the backcountry. Most wilderness areas require dogs to be leashed at all times and for you to properly dispose of their waste.
Dogs aren't like cows. Tax payers don't subsidize dogs destroying public land.
Apr 26, 2010 at 4:33 pm #1602421AnonymousInactive"I just said you'll never catch me."
Ah, The Wisner Corollary to the Stealth Camping Principle.
Apr 26, 2010 at 4:34 pm #1602423AnonymousInactive"Dammit Tom — how many times do I have to say this? You do NOT need a river to save on toilet paper! :)"
I know, ben, I know. All you really need is to attend Mike C's Sermon on the Mount. ;}
Apr 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm #1602445Don C? Link please?
And it's Ben with a capital B! :(
Apr 26, 2010 at 5:26 pm #1602455AnonymousInactive"And it's Ben with a capital B! Ya got me there. An innocent typo.
Dam# I'd hate to have you auditing my accounts. ;)
Apr 26, 2010 at 5:27 pm #1602456AnonymousInactive"Don C? Link please?"
Aw, c'mon, Ben…..
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