Firesteel experiment

Never use the blade of a knife to strike a firesteel. Why waste the blade. If you can't find anything else a sharp rock can be used to stike a ferro rod. I use the back of the saw on my SAK. I feel it works best.

You can light shavings of pitch pine with a ferro rod. Where I backpack I use birch bark. Even when somewhat damp it will take a spark. The key is to find something resinous.

Always carry some man made tinder in case natural tinder is hard to find. PJ soaked cotton balls in a film canister is the cheapest. I like Landmann firestarters which can be found at many grocery stores in the BBQ section.

Joseph

I'd recommend against using your knife blades (unless you have to), instead use the spine of the knife- it helps if the spine is very squared up

the LMF steel generally sparks easier than the misch metal ones HOWEVER the misch metal ones generally throw a much larger, hotter spark (almost glob like)

for lighting any tinder you want the steel very close- I see videos of guys throwing sparks from feet away, you'll have better luck close

for lighting most wood, making fuzz sticks is the way to go- takes practice to get them very thin (and curly)- "fatwood" (resin impregnated) is the wood of choice if you can find it (or like a lot of folks they carry it)

I think LMF now has a new striker that is supposedly much more effective than the old one- might be worth looking into that

> the back of the SAK saw worked about 200% better than the LMF striker

Hi John,

I ran the same set of experiments last year using firesteel.com rods and found the same thing you did –
the BACK of the Victorinox saw worked much better than anything else.

Like you, I found the hacksaw worked quite a bit better than the supplied striker. I threw the striker away and now just use the BACK of the SAK saw blade.

> Does anyone have any experience lighting wood shavings without dried grass (etc). I couldn't get it to work.

It is very hard. Takes lots of practice preparing tinder. Much easier to just don't leave home without some spark-catching tinder on you.

> Does anyone have any experience lighting wood shavings without dried grass (etc).

Not worth the effort. It's possible but really hard. The wood has to be REALLY dry, the shavings really thin. Actually, just shavings weren't enough.. I needed to partially split the shavings to get extra surface area / edges. It's much easier to get the sparks to catch on something a bit more flammable.

I found that it well worth carrying 1 gram worth of firestarter. A cotton ball, drier lint, some commercial firestarter, etc.

–Mark

"ps: does anyone know why the hacksaw didn't perform as well as the file ?"

Yep, files are famous for being made of very hard steel. The harder the steel the better the sparks.

As for grass used as tinder..
Grass is more of a kindling -used to get a fire started with a coal or small flame.
What you need is a tinder- something used to catch a spark, usually something that creates a "coal" from a spark which in turn is used to make a flame.

Brian, alot of people confuse a firesteel with a ferro rod and the method of firestarting for both. Because of LMF and other manufacturers calling ferro rods a firesteel it has become confusing for many people new to firecraft.

A firesteel is a very hard high carbon steel. When struck with a piece of flint it throws very few small sparks. You have to start with char cloth to catch the very small sparks. Then you transfer the spark into jute twine unraveled into something that resembles a birdsnest by blowing into it. From there you place the flamming birdsnest into natural tinder such as birch bark or dry grass. Here is a link to a video I made of me using a ML firesteel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw6jrsTc3Bs

A ferro rod like the LMF Army is a misch metal consisting of:
Iron: 19%
Cerium: 38%
Lanthanum: 22%
Neodymium: 4%
Praseodymium: 4%
Magnesium: 4%.
It really doesn't matter how hard the item being used as a striker is just as long as it is sharp. Allthough a harder material will hold a sharp edge longer. A ferro rod throws much more sparks so the first few steps that are done with the firesteel are not needed. It will easily light dry natural tinder by itself. Another link to a video of me using a ferro rod: http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh70/sjdm4211/?action=view&current=heatherspictures1311.flv

BTW grass is considered a tinder. Kindling is always wood.

Joseph

Sure, firesteels and ferro rods are usually used interchangeably. So are the terms tinder and kindling.
I learned fire building skills the Kochanski way as described in his book "Bushcraft" in it he clearly defines tinder as something that lights from a spark- whether it turns to flame or coal and kindling as something that lights from a coal or is light easily by a flame. No mention of kindling being specifically wood. A quick Google search only turned up definitions like " any material thats easily combustible" and the like- but nothing specifically about it being wood.
Lots of schools and books have different definitions though.