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– 25F Ultralight: Down Parka vs Shell + Light Down Jacket + Sleeping Bag?

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Atif Khan BPL Member
PostedFeb 13, 2022 at 11:41 pm

Hi,

Experimenting with multi-using winter gear here.

The traditional thinking is to don the fully featured down parka in camp, adding down pants and down booties when temperatures warrant.

Is there room for improvement on this hackneyed theme? In camp, assuming one is wearing the same base, mid, and head layers normally worn under a down parka, one instead wears a light down jacket and a shell and is wrapped inside a -25 F mummy bag, with the gloved hands free to prepare food. For occasional walking around camp one slips on short Tyvek booties (used during the day while snowshoeing) over the insulating sock layers and VBLs.

I am tempted to change my setup away from a down parka but would first like to hear from those who have actually tried it. While there would be minimal, if any, weight savings, on paper it seems to present three, possibly more, advantages:

1. The flexibility of having a waterproof or water resistant shell for rises in temperature, when snow turns to freezing rain.

2. The sleeping bag is multi-used as a down bootie, down pant, and down jacket.

3. The light down jacket + shell option occupies less space than the down parka, down bootie, and down pants (and the shell is happily relegated to the outside of the pack).

Have you had success with this setup? If so, what kind of shell did you use?

Bonzo BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2022 at 10:23 am

Personally, I wouldn’t want to compromise my mobility by trying to use my sleeping bag as walking-around shell and/or footwear layer. -25° is no joke, regardless of what scale you’re using; I’ve certainly sat inside the bag and prepped/cooked food, but that’s when I’m settled down inside the tent and not planning on moving unless I have to.  Walking around would be another matter entirely…so I wouldn’t call the traditional parka, etc. a hackneyed theme: it works.  But that’s me; I don’t mind a bit of extra weight if it helps me be comfortable.

Mark Verber BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2022 at 11:50 am

I have used my sleeping bag (or quilt) instead of a down parka in camp when conditions dropped more than expected in the shoulder seasons. It “works”, though you have to be super careful when cooking and it’s really challenging if you are trying to tend a wood fire… typically leave it behind because the fire is providing warmth.  If it was me, I would bring the parka, pants, booties and minimize the chances you will compromise the bags warmth.

jscott Blocked
PostedFeb 14, 2022 at 12:09 pm

If I were needing a -25 degree bag on a trip, I wouldn’t be carrying a “light down jacket”. I also wouldn’t want to expose my bag to the possibility of ripping or getting wet or getting burned by a fire, or having soup spilled on it,  because I was wearing it around camp.

 

edit: maybe you meant a 25 degree (not minus 25) bag. Still, if you'[re contemplating a scenario where things might warm up to freezing rain, you have to contemplate the opposite happening too. In any case, I’d want a full on down jacket. As you know, freezing rain is a dangerous scenario. I’d want a lot of warm options in case something goes slightly wrong.

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedFeb 14, 2022 at 12:09 pm

As much as I like to multi-purpose gear in spring, summer and fall; for full-on winter camping, I like a  but more redundancy.  You’re one event (breaking through ice into a creek, a load of snow falling onto you from a tree over over your fire/stove, etc) away from wetting out some of your gear and -25F / -32C is seriously cold.  It’s below the bottom of my personal fun meter (which stops at -15F).  I can do it, I’ve had to for work at times (but could retreat to a vehicle), and I’m ready for it when I’m expecting -10F, but I’m on edge the whole time at -25F.  You’re one equipment, health or navigational misstep away from disaster and missteps happen more often at those temperatures.

So, personally, I like have enough clothes that I could survive if I had to sleep in them and, conversely, I could use my sleeping bag as a back-up parka if needed and get my butt back home.

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