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lightweight, traditional design tent

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Claudio Zanoni BPL Member
PostedOct 26, 2009 at 6:23 am

Hi All,

I am fairly new to the lightweight stuff, and just found out about the great community here. I do a fair bit of backbacking tours, by foot, by motorbike and paraglider. I have a traditional 2-wall backpacking tent. 2 cross bows with side vestibules (extended by a third, short pole). The poles are running through channels in the outer tent, the inner tent is then clipped to the outer tent.

What I like:
– when rainy you can pack the inner tent first and water proof so it stays dry during weeks, then pack the outer tent

– I can have both vestibules rolled and only mosiquito doors closed for great view (stars, scenery) while fully protected. If wheather gets worse, vestibules are quickly closed.

– I can have only one half of the vestibule closed to allow for cooking even with side wind/rain.

Dislikes:
– weight
– pack size

I wonder whether there is any lightweight alternative out that still allows for the above mentioned comfort.

=> for 1 night hikes with flight in the morning I only pitch tarp without bugnet and then lie down next to it. If rain comes up, I get underneath the tarp.

For tent, we are talking longer trips. My goal would be somewhere between 1-2kg for the tent, more importance on the pack size however.

Thanks for the advice
Claudio

PostedOct 26, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Claudio
If you prefer to have a double wall, the Scarp 1 at 1250 g will give you all of the options you like.
It is an integral pitch (inner and fly together) but can easily separate the two and pitch the fly by it self.
You also have two entrances and two vestibules .
http://www.tarptent.com/scarp1.html
For pics on the new version search this site (BPL)
Franco

Mark Verber BPL Member
PostedOct 26, 2009 at 5:49 pm

It would be useful to know how much space you are looking for. I am going to assume that you are looking for a solo shelter.

There are several single hoop shelters that when lets you pitch the fly first and then later add the inner tent. Most have good size vestibules that are in the <2kg range. Hillenberg is the classic maker (I believe there is a netting intern tent for the akto coming soon), exped and terra nova also make shelters like this. Most don't have as much headroom as I would like, but they are beloved by many. I recommend checking them out ay
http://www.moontrail.com/ since they offer good service and have great pictures that can give you a really good feel for these shelters.

The other option would be some of the hybrid ultralight shelters from tarptent, gossamer gear, six moon designs, or a shaped tarp + inner bug nest from oware or mountain laurel designs.

–Mark

Claudio Zanoni BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 1:49 am

Great replies so far, thanks. I have checked out your hints. I don't like the real lightweight tarps/tents/shelter with trekking poles too much as it's just not what I am looking for. I have a tarp and don't bother a bugnet/trekking poles for the lightweight tour. Also, I feel that a tarp/shelter with bugnet and trekking poles that offers good protection probably isn't all that much lighter than the tent currently like best.

I am looking for "normal" tent, just with the latest lightweight materials so I can save some weight/pack volume, while maintaining the same level of comfort for longer trips.

The shelter I like best so far is the MSR Hubba Hubba http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/fast-and-light-tents/hubba-hubba/product
This would really be the perfect tent for me… however, I really don't like the color. I hate standing out in nature by having a tent with that type of color (I am not a mountaineering/expedition guy that needs that type of color for safety, on the contrary, I prefer not to be spotted instantly when I am camping out in the wild). I prefer colors like dark green, black, brown, dark blue, etc.

Is there anything similar to the Hubba Hubba, but with a better color? And another deciding question about it: Can the fly be pitched alone, i.e. without the groundsheet?

Thanks for your help!

Ben Smith BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:24 am

Have you looked at this tent? It is a nice muted orange with a light gray fly, and I have one that I have only used once that I may let go…

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:44 am

I have this tent. It is a light yellow mustardy color. May have changed this year.

Pitching the fly without the tent or the footprint? Don't think it is designed for this. You must bend the poles to put them in the grommets. Do you know what I mean?

This tent replaced a MacPac Microlight. (The MP Microlight DOES allow you to pitch the fly first!) Like it much better. Can sit up in it (5'5"). It is very cheerful to be inside. Don't like how the vestibule stakes out at only one point. Haven't figured out how to get in and out easily! (I'm NOT that great with tents! I like huts!)

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wNote: I may have enhanced the contrast/saturation in the photos. I tend to do that! (Sorry, I am too lazy to go back and revert.)

For the same weight (check to make sure), you can get a Big Agnes Seedhouse SL2 and a lot more room. It's more of a "one and a mutt" than a two! I just got one and haven't decided whether to keep it.

Claudio Zanoni BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:47 am

Colors on this one are indeed ok, although I'd prefer the mesh to go lower and I don't really like that it's lower on the foot end (but that's minor drawbacks). Does this have two equally sized vestibules?

Ben Smith BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:54 am

When I set it up, I was using one vestibule for my gear, and one for getting in and out. I looked at the picture of the dimensions on the BA website, and it shows the vestibules are the same width, but I looked on basegear.com (the first place that came up for a search of copper spur ul2) and their dimension picture shows one vestibule is 10" wider than the other. I believe that is the case. The vestibule to the left of the head end (if you are laying in the tent) is slightly bigger. I used the smaller for my gear, and that made it really easy to access my gear from outside without it being in my way of getting in and out. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Ben Smith BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:59 am

Another good thing about the Copper Spur 2 is that you can leave behind the body if you wish and just go with the fly and the footprint for a 2.5 lb shelter if you didn't need the bug protection. BTW, I am 6' 210 lbs, and it was pretty easy getting in and out, and plenty of room inside…

Claudio Zanoni BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 5:23 am

What's the pack size?
Can both parts of one vestibules be staked down individually?

Thanks for the pics of the MSR…

Ben Smith BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 5:37 am

The packed size according to the BA website is 7" x 20", but you could definitely reduce that with a couple of compression straps. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking about the vestibules. They have one stake at the middle, and I don't believe that you can stake the door out separately, it just unzips and hangs loose, or rolled and attached at the door attachment point.

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 6:46 am

Multi Pitch! This guy has a huge following in some places! It's been around for years. And it IS pretty clever. I was somewhat relieved to destroy the fly trying to dry it out over a fire and thus justify a new tent. You can pitch the fly without the tent. Note: it's a single pole design and not free standing.

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http://www.macpac.co.nz/shop/en_nz/gear-and-clothing/tents/tents-trek/microlight.html

A little embarrassed to include this:
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Droopy :( Did set it up at about 11 PM in a downpour.

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Or there's this one from BA, which is a solo tent , at 35 ozs inc. pole, fly, tent, sac. I just acquired one, haven't used it yet. Like the vestibule (but there's just the one), can sit up OK (5'8"), but it's not freestanding as claimed, unless you don't mind a droopy footend! See Ryan's writeup of it here from Jan 2009. Barbara

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