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Oct 31, 2004 at 3:56 pm #1334609
Carol, Before I give you my recipe, I must give you a little background. I told you I was into the low-carb thing. I started the South Beach Diet, in January of this year. My goal was to lose 10 pounds and drop a few points of cholesterol. I bought the book and got into it. The first 2 weeks were pretty hard, no sweets, no bread, no potatoes, no beer, no chips, no fun. After the two weeks I had lost 7 or 8 pounds, but I got a great surprise that the book didn’t mention. That is, I started sleeping through the night. I have been a terrible sleeper for about 20 years. Up walking around the house, reading, thinking, watching TV or sitting in the hot tub, off and on all night until about 4:00, then I would be sleeping like a rock when the alarm went off at 5:30. Tired all day. The doctor gave me some sleeping pills that helped, but I don’t like to take pills. So when all the sudden I started sleeping it was wonderful. I mean, really really wonderful! I ended up loosing 10-12 pounds, 50 points of cholesterol and 50 points of triglycerides.
So, I like my high protein – low processed-carb diet, but it didn’t fit very well with backpacking food. All the hiking gurus preach high carbs, carbs, carbs. I came up with this recipe to give me a light weight, high protein breakfast, that sticks with me all morning and gives me plenty of energy. I don’t know if the energy comes from the protein, the complex-carbs or ??, but I don’t care, it works.
MONTANA MONSTER CAKES
1.5 TBS whole grain soy flour
4 TBS whole-egg, powered eggs
1.5 TBS Krustez whole grain pancake mix
1.5 TBS powered milk
1/3 Cup All-Bran Bran Buds
2 TBS raisins
1 TBS chopped walnuts or your favorite chopped nuts
1/8 tsp baking powder
1 salt to taste
1.5 tsp sugar or Splenda, I use Splenda
1 tsp olive oil
Combine all dry ingredients in a small mixing bowl, mix real well, and put in a baggie. It should weigh about 4oz. It’s best to make only one cake at a time, because it’s hard to divide the chunky mixture. You can make a bunch of them pretty quick, once you get everything laid out in the proper order, with the right sized measure in each container. In camp, start heating some water. I use an alcohol stove and start enough water for my coffee and a little more. When the water is warm, put a little water and the olive oil in the baggie, reseal it, and squish it all around until it is all mixed and about the consistency of pancake batter. Let it sit for a few minutes while the water boils. I make my coffee, then turn the heat down as low as it goes on my alcohol stove or to about ¼ throttle on my MSR Drageonfly. Put a little olive oil in the bottom of an 8” MSR fry pan, smear it around the bottom, then dump in the batter. It is pretty chunky so you might have to smush it down a little to make it like a thick pancake. Put the lid on and let it cook slow. When it is ready, turn it over just like a pancake. Turn frequently to avoid burning. When it is done it is like a real heavy, chewy, chunky pancake. I like them just plain, or with a little honey. Each one has two eggs, milk, cereal, pancake, nuts and raisins. So they are pretty filling and stick with you all morning. Sometimes I make another one and save it for lunch. It takes a little practice to cook them without burning them, but they are pretty good, I think. Let me know, if you try them.
saNov 1, 2004 at 9:47 am #1334610
I’ve had lots more energy eating controlled amounts of High GI carbs (meaning not that many, sticking to low GI carbs, ie avoding processed carbs). Since you mentioned avoiding processed carbs, you might like the Pro Bar. It’s high in carbs but it’s mostly from nuts, seeds, fruit, and rice syup. Very tasty!! http://www.theprobar.com available from bakersbox.com. We’ll be publishing a short article soon mentioning it.
The Monster cakes sound yummy! I don’t take a frying pan backpacking but I’ve had good luck making something similar in my ti cup with a muffin foil. I definitely want to try these!
Thanks!Nov 2, 2004 at 7:05 am #1334616
Carol. Thanks for the Pro Bar tip. I have been looking for a good bar that fits my diet. As far as the fry pan, the one I use is not really a fry pan it is just a shallow aluminam pan that works for boiling water or baking my cakes, the only two things I need from my cooking kit. I have a Ti cup/pot, but I found my boil times were longer, because the diameter is too small to absorb all the heat from my alcohol stove. The aluminam lid is a few ounces heaver than the Ti lid, but I figure I get it back in fuel weight and I can still make my cakes. I like you idea about the aluminam rings for making muffins and will try it next time I’m out. saNov 2, 2004 at 5:01 pm #1334618Stephane SavageMember
I’ve read on the net that dehydrating eggs requires pasteurization to kill bacteria and is not recommended for dehydration at home; so what’s the technique you use to dry your eggs?
Thanks!Nov 4, 2004 at 7:03 am #1334624
While finding a way that works for us that are alternatives to the usual ways, we think, hey I will try that, it can’t hurt me. Well sometimes it can. Few if any here are advocating no carbs but low carbs may not be great either. Regardless, knowing the underying principles can help inform our personal choices. Here are some researched conclusions by a noted excercise physiologist who speaks to the athletic world.
Dangers of a Low Carb Diet
By: Greg Landry
Low carb (carbohydrate), high protein diets are the latest dieting craze. However, before you jump on the band wagon, you may want to consider a few things:
1. Low carb (ketogenic) diets deplete the healthy glycogen (the storage form of glucose) stores in your muscles and liver. When you deplete glycogen stores, you also dehydrate, often causing the scale to drop significantly in the first week or two of the diet. This is usually interpreted as fat loss when it’s actually mostly from dehydration and muscle loss. By the way, this is one of the reasons that low carb diets are so popular at the moment – there is a quick initial, but deceptive drop in scale weight.
Glycogenesis (formation of glycogen) occurs in the liver and muscles when adequate quantities of carbohydrates are consumed – very little of this happens on a low carb diet. Glycogenolysis (breakdown of glycogen) occurs when glycogen is broken down to form glucose for use as fuel.
2. Depletion of muscle glycogen causes you to fatigue easily, and makes exercise and movement uncomfortable. Research indicates that muscle fatigue increases in almost direct proportion to the rate of depletion of muscle glycogen. Bottom line is that you don’t feel energetic and you exercise and move less (often without realizing it) which is not good for caloric expenditure and basal metabolic rate (metabolism).
3. Depletion of muscle glycogen leads to muscle atrophy (loss of muscle). This happens because muscle glycogen (broken down to glucose) is the fuel of choice for the muscle during movement. There is always a fuel mix, but without muscle glycogen, the muscle fibers that contract, even at rest to maintain muscle tone, contract less when glycogen is not immediately available in the muscle. Depletion of muscle glycogen also causes you to exercise and move less than normal which leads to muscle loss and the inability to maintain adequate muscle tone.
Also, in the absence of adequate carbohydrate for fuel, the body initially uses protein (muscle) and fat. the initial phase of muscle depletion is rapid, caused by the use of easily accessed muscle protein for direct metabolism or for conversion to glucose (gluconeogenesis) for fuel. Eating excess protein does not prevent this because there is a caloric deficit.
When insulin levels are chronically too low as they may be in very low carb diets, catabolism (breakdown) of muscle protein increases, and protein synthesis stops.
4. Loss of muscle causes a decrease in your basal metabolic rate (metabolism). Metabolism happens in the muscle. Less muscle and muscle tone means a slower metabolism which means fewer calories burned 24 hours-a-day.
5. Your muscles and skin lack tone and are saggy. Saggy muscles don’t look good, cause saggy skin, and cause you to lose a healthy, vibrant look (even if you’ve also lost fat).
6. Some proponents of low carb diets recommend avoiding carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, potatoes, carrots, etc. because of they are high on the glycemic index – causing a sharp rise in insulin. Certain carbohydrates have always been, and will always be the bad guys: candy, cookies, baked goods with added sugar, sugared drinks, processed / refined white breads, pastas, and rice, and any foods with added sugar. These are not good for health or weight loss. However, carbohydrates such as fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grain breads and pastas, and brown rice are good for health and weight loss. Just like with proteins and fats, these carbohydrates should be eaten in moderation. Large volumes of any proteins, fats or carbohydrates are not conducive to weight loss and health.
The effect of high glycemic foods is often exaggerated. It’s does matter, but to a smaller degree than is often portrayed. Also, the total glycemic effect of foods is influenced by the quantity of that food that you eat at a sitting. Smaller meals have a lower overall glycemic effect. Also, we usually eat several types of food at the same time, thereby reducing the average glycemic index of the meal, if higher glycemic foods are eaten. Also, glycemic index values can be misleading because they are based on a standard 50 grams of carbohydrate consumed. It wouldn’t take much candy bar to get that, but it would take four cups of carrots. Do you usually eat four cups of carrots at a meal?
Regular exercisers and active people also are less effected by higher glycemic foods because much of the carbohydrate comsumed is immediately used to replenish glycogen stores in the liver and muscle.
By the way, if you’re interested in lowering insulin levels, there is a great way to do that – exercise and activity.
7. Much of the weight loss on a low carb, high protein diet, especially in the first few weeks, is actually because of dehydration and muscle loss.
8. The percentage of people that re-gain the weight they’ve lost with most methods of weight loss is high, but it’s even higher with low carb, high protein diets. This is primarily due to three factors:
A. You have lost muscle. With that comes a slower metabolism which means fewer calories are burned 24 hours-a-day. A loss of muscle during the process of losing weight is almost a guarantee for re-gaining the lost weight, and more.
B. You re-gain the healthy fluid lost because of glycogen depletion.
C. It’s difficult to maintain that type of diet long-term.
D. You have not made a change to a long-term healthy lifestyle.
9. Eating too much fat is just not healthy. I know you’ve heard of people whose blood levels of cholesterol and triglycerides have decreased while on a low carb, high protein diet. This often happens with weight loss, but it doesn’t continue when you’re on a diet high in fat. There are literally reams of research over decades that clearly indicates that an increase in consumption of animal products and/or saturated fat leads to increased incidence of heart disease, strokes, gall stones, kidney stones, arthritic symptoms, certain cancers, etc. For example, in comparing countries with varying levels of meat consumption, there is a direct relationship between the volume of meat consumption in a country and the incidence of digestive cancers (stomach, intestines, rectal, etc.).
Fat is certainly necessary, and desirable in your diet, but they should be mostly healthy fats and in moderation. Manufactured / synthetic “low fat” foods with lots of added sugar are not the answer. Neither are manufactured / synthetic “low carb” foods with artificial sweeteners or added fat. By the way, use of artificial sweeteners has never been shown to aid in weight loss and they may pose health problems. According to Dr. Keith-Thomas Ayoob of Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, “In my experience, unless you’re willing to throw out decades of research, you cannot ignore that diets chronically high in saturated fats are linked to heart disease,” Dr. Ayoob is also a spokesman for the American Dietetic Association and says that low carb, high protein diets are an attempt at a quick fix and not a long-term lifestyle change.
10. As someone recently told me, “it must work – people are losing weight”. People that are truly losing fat on low carb, high protein diets, are doing so because they are eating fewer calories – that’s the bottom line. There is no magic – the same can be done on a healthy diet.
11. Low carb diets are lacking in fiber. Every plant-based food has some fiber. All animal products have no fiber. A lack of fiber increases your risk for cancers of the digestive track (because transit time is lengthened) and cardiovascular disease (because of fibers effect on fat and cholesterol). It also puts you at a higher risk for constipation and other bowel disorders.
12. Low carb diets lack sufficient quantities of the the many nutrients / phytonutrients / antioxidants found in fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains, necessary for health and aiding in prevention of cancer and heart disease. In fact, you need these nutrients even more so when you’re consuming too much fat as is often the case on a low carb high protein diet.
13. Amercans already consume more than twice the amount of protein needed. Add to that a high protein diet and you have far too much protein consumption. By the way, most people don’t realize that all fruits, all vegetables, all whole grains, and all legumes also contain protein. Animal products contain larger quantities of protein, but that may not be a good thing. Excess dietary protein puts you at a higher risk for many health problems: gout (painful joints from high purine foods which are usually high protein foods), kidney disease, kidney stones, osteoporosis (excess dietary protein causes leeching of calcium from the bones). By the way, countries with lower, healthier intakes of protein also have a decreased incidence of osteoporosis.
14. Low carb, high protein diets cause an unhealthy physiological state called ketosis, a type of metabolic acidosis. You may have heard the phrase, “fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate”. Excess acetyl CoA cannot enter the Krebs Cycle (you remember the old Krebs Cycle) due to insufficient OAA. In other words, for fat to burn efficiently and without production of excess toxic ketones, sufficient carbohydrate must be available. Ketosis can lead to many health problems and can be very serious at it’s extreme.
15. Bad breath. Often called “keto breath” or “acetone breath”, it’s caused by production of acetones in a state of ketosis.
So why the low carb, high protein craze? I believe there are several reasons.
A. Weight loss (mostly muscle and muscle fluid) is often rapid during the first few weeks. This causes people to think they’re losing fat rapidly.
B. It gives you “permission” to eat the “bad foods”: bacon, eggs, burgers, steak, cheese, etc., and lots of fat.
C. Many see it as the new “magic” they’ve been looking for, although it’s been around, in various forms, since the 1960’s.
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Karger, 1997Nov 9, 2004 at 11:16 am #1334638John BrennanBPL Member
@johnb-1Locale: Pacific Northwest
It has been more than 20 years since I went on a no-carb diet (for carb packing on the the swim team). I recall that it required absolute vigilance to get my body to shift to the ketogenic state. Most people I observe who are on a low-carb diet eat too many carbs to become ketogenic, or, better put, are starting over, over and over.
I think it would be very difficult, though not impossible, for a backpacker to go into a ketogenic state while on the trail (especially with the limited offerings of many town stop restaurants).
I’ve found through off and on-trail eating that fat is the key to sustained energy for me. I believe that much of the protein I eat comes with a good dose of fat (beef jerkey and nuts come to mind) and have come to associate protein with sustained energy.
I’m a long-distance backpacker who preaches the benefits of fat.
(On and off trail, I eat as little sugar as I can, and what I get is from fruit or maple syrup. Sugars make me grumpy, lethargic, and emotional. Protein can offset the effects of sugar.)
John B./CupcakeNov 12, 2004 at 8:41 am #1334644John S.BPL Member
Why is there no estimated calorie count for your listed meals? Or did I miss it? Thanks.Nov 20, 2004 at 4:24 pm #1334656Brad HoytMember
What are some of this board’s favorate prepackaged “Grocery Store” foods to put in a “lightweight” backpack?Nov 23, 2004 at 9:34 am #1334659
Organic Figs. Fat Free or Low Fat Wheat-Free/Dairy-Free, A few more calories from organic palm shortening, but :palm fruit oil is plant derived, has no cholesterol, is lower in saturated fat than butter, contains no trans-fatty acids
Very good. Very soft and fresh. Thick and juicy. Fig flavor is outstanding. Lots of fruit. Not too crumbly. Not too sweet. Crust is heavy but moist. Probably too healthy for some who crave pure sweets, etc. but holds up, can chew when cold or hot. High on the A list because tastes good so likely to help you to snack frequently as advised to keep spare muscle glycogen, etc.Nov 23, 2004 at 11:02 am #1334661D ApronMember
Have you ever noticed the sap seeping from verrious types of pine trees?
It makes great chewing gum and you do not have to carry it into the wilderness.
It is there for the picking.
I find a big “drop”, about 25% dry. That seems to work best. Experiment for you taste.
This tidpit is courtecy of my grandfather who was last in a line of mountain men.
Dee ApronNov 26, 2004 at 9:00 pm #1334666
I tried your Montana Monster cakes on my last backpacking trip. I cooked my cake like a muffin by staming it (as I described earlier) using an esbit tablet. Tasted great! Thanks for the recipe.Nov 26, 2004 at 9:01 pm #1334667
I cook the eggs first, then dehydrate them.
CarolNov 26, 2004 at 9:14 pm #1334668
You didn’t miss the calorie count. I did not include calories on my food list (I’m not sure how accurate I could have been trying to calculate calories for all the home dried food I had on my list). However, future food lists will have calories.
CarolDec 4, 2004 at 7:35 pm #1334687AnonymousGuest
I don’t think this should be a place to argue diet, but I must respond – nobody should be frightened away from a lowcarb way of eating because of quasi-scientific “facts” like these – Be aware that for every study cited here, there are others finding the exact opposite. As for the claim that one loses muscle, that is simply hogwash, complete hooey. I have not had more than 15 g carbs per day literally for years, and only slow-acting ones with lots of fiber – broccoli and such. And I have lost fat and gained muscle. Generations of eskimos and explorers have lived indefinitely on practically zero carbs. And this way of eating has literally saved my health – without it I might very well be doing my hiking today with a seeing-eye dog and on prosthetic feet. There are LOTS of us diabetics who have reversed our complications by avoiding starch sugars and grains. So, as I say, wouldn’t want anyone to be put off by these scary “facts.”Dec 5, 2004 at 3:56 pm #1334690
It seems that some people (Bernard and others) are confused by the “low-carb” diet. That is, they think all low-carb diets are the same, which is totally wrong. I agree that the Atkins diet is not healthy, too much fat, not enough fruits and vegetables. Many of us, like the last poster, Carol, and me believe and practice a diet that has “more protein” , less “processed carbs” and plenty of fiber. Since starting the diet I have more energy and get twice the trail miles, or more.
The last poster mentioned Eskimos and explorers as being low-processed-carb higher-protein dieters. Lewis and Clark come to mind. Their journals report that they ate only protein for parts of their journey, that being wild game and for months on end. So, if only 10% of our energy comes from protein, where did the rest of their energy come from?
Ps: the first annual light weight backpacker trade show, held yesterday in Bozeman, was awesome! I got to meet Ryan, (he’s much younger than I expected) and got to see all the cool stuff talked about on this website. Can’t wait ‘till next year! saDec 7, 2004 at 3:03 pm #1334698Ryan JordanAdmin
@ryanLocale: Central Rockies
>> Ps: the first annual light weight backpacker trade show, held yesterday in Bozeman, was awesome! I got to meet Ryan, (he’s much younger than I expected) and got to see all the cool stuff talked about on this website. Can’t wait ‘till next year!
Hey, thanks for the compliments Steve! Makes me think I’ve got a few good years left ;)Dec 9, 2004 at 9:34 am #1334707
For me the strength of this web site is the interest in discussing things from a scientific basis. Many other forums simply share personal feelings and opinions.
I learn from, enjoy, and respect different conclusions, based on facts, research, citations, etc. I do not find it, for me only, of interest to have the topic on nutrition become a discussion where people say I am confused and scaring people but do not print the facts and research so we all can judge for ouselves.
I have been quite vocal here on this topic, and hopefully have tried to keep to the policy and spirit of the site myself. My own concern with this topic is that from the beginning I did not understand why is would be helpful to make eating more protein a topic that sounded so jazzy and effective when we Americans eat twice what we already need and it is not controversial that protein provides only 10% of our energy needs.
Fot those folks who feel that very low carbohydrate and high protein diets are good for them, but take this personally and who do not cite the research, I await your providing it, I have an open mind, will enjoy reading it.
I have seen conflicting research, myself. However, having reviewed it myself, I am seeing more studies, (as reported by t he one I placed herre) that show that there are short term gains due to erroneously understood reasons and long term harm from such a diet, let alone any energy gains.
For folks who say I and others think all low carbohydrate diest are the same, the research is clear that no or very low carbs does deprive one of energy and may have long term harm. Less extreme versions, as long as the protein is not to high, and not much fat, and glycemic index of carbs is low, may very well be quite healthy, although not as much energy since we need carbs for energy. The big exception for us outdoor folks is the eating simple carbs for breakfast especially as a bad thing and gorging on too many rather than grazing, snacking through out the day.
My interest is in presenting information and for each person to make their own conclusions. I think we have some small degree of responsibility here to stick to facts so that we encourage folks to follow reasonable methods and stay away from things that may be harmful.Dec 12, 2004 at 4:00 pm #1334770
I love this forum and have learned a ton about my passion, backpacking. I also enjoy discussing and debating with people about many topics, health being one. Bernard, please don’t be offended by my accusation that you are “confused”. I meant it in the since that, most people think anyone eating a cheese omelet is another fad-chasing Atkins nut. After many such barbs, I am probably a little more sensitive than I should be. I do enjoy your postings and hope to see more.
You are obviously much more educated than me, at least in the formal since; hence your dependency on research. I, on the other hand, am a little burned out on research because one can find and prove just about any point he /she wishes, in a few minutes on the internet. My claim is only that this diet has been just the ticket for me. I would like other people to enjoy the same health benefits I have found, but certainly do not want anyone to use anything I write in a way that would harm them.
After my last physical, my doctor told me that if he had looked at my lipid panel, without knowing whom it belonged to; he would have thought it was from a woman. I reluctantly took that as a compliment.
I googled “south beach diet research” and go over a half million hits. The links to a couple on the first page are below. Neither are research papers, but are articles about research papers and list several researchers as references. I’m sure if one wanted to surf around a while you could get all kinds of research, both pro and con.
Carol, we had an early Christmas at my house, and I received the American Harvester Dehydrator you recommended. My first batch of jerky should be done about the time I get home. Thanks!
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/65/72554.htm?pagenumber=2 http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2004/0104/news0104.htmDec 12, 2004 at 6:31 pm #1334774
Bernard, I forgot that I wanted to comment on your 10% issue again: “My own concern with this topic is that from the beginning I did not understand why is would be helpful to make eating more protein a topic that sounded so jazzy and effective when we Americans eat twice what we already need and it is not controversial that protein provides only 10% of our energy needs.”
Could it be that only 10% of the average American’s energy is derived from protein? And that is because the average American eats way too much carbs? And that if the average American were to lower his carb intake and increase his protein intake, he would realize a much higher percentage of his energy from the protein? I’m still hung up on the fact that for eons Eskimos, American Indians and many other indigenous humans, ate nearly 100% protein and seem to have plenty of protein. saDec 13, 2004 at 6:35 am #1334780
I am no expert in diet and nutrition, physiology, and medicine. I am not espcecially interested in posting to hear myself talk either. I do have a doctorate in research and an interest in debunking fads especially when monied interests pretend to use science to promote themselves at our expense.
Like, you I see how science is misused and false claims made in its name. I will assume here on this site we are interested in sorting out the good science from the bad and that Ryan and Alan are interested in us doing just that.
About Protein as energy
Steve, if all we ate was protein we would get all our energy from it but it would be less energy. The reason we get so little energy from protein is that its primary function is the rebuilding of muscles. Eating nothing else would make it hard to have enough essential nutrients to generate energy.
The good science agrees with you in a big way about eating the US populace eating a huge % of their diet as high glycemic carbohydrates, over 30 to 40% pure junk food. In fact this then crowds out the necessary vegatables, fruits, nuts, salads, etc, that give us anti-oxidents, cholesterol lowering, anti-cancer, vitamins and essential minerals, nutrients, etc.
Problem with generalizing information about one group
While it is interesting possibly fruitful to study indigenous people
With regards to their diet, it is not sound to generalize those findings to other groups.
Eskimos have a highly evolved physiology that makes them well suited to life in the arctic: a compact build that conserves warmth, a faster metabolism, optimally distributed body fat, and special modifications to the circulatory system. It is not a good idea to generalize for ourselves, unless we have the same makeup that their diet will work for us. There exists a number of myths about Eskimo diets and a great deal to be studies that is not understood.
Myths about their diet
It has also been shown that Greenland Eskimos [Bang and Dyerberg 1980], had a more balanced diet than was thought. dietary macronutrient content of these partially Westernized Eskimos was 38% carbohydrate, 39% fat, and 23% protein, whereas the values for the control group of Danish people were 47% carbohydrate, 42% fat, and 11% protein. Any differences in their levels of disease with Westerners is not due to eating protein.
Not all is well with their diet
In fact all is not well in the Eskimo diet, despite their adaptations. Studies on North Alaskan Eskimos reported that bone loss, determined by a technique called direct photon absorptiometry, was significantly greater in Eskimos than in whites, and began at an earlier age.3 Although growth patterns and bone densities in children were similar for both groups, by age 70, Eskimos were found to have bone densities 15% below comparable whites, with Eskimos females at 30% below comparable whites. Theses studies attribute the decline in bone mass to the high protein diet of the Eskimos, especially its high meat content.Jan 30, 2005 at 3:01 pm #1335380K M SchaeferBPL Member
I’ve been enjoying the range of commentary; to add my own bits—
If the first bite is protien, that helps, ( I think I found info in THE PERRICONE PRESCRIPTION); some foods agree with me better, esp. sources of protein… ( source: EAT RIGHT FOR YOUR BLOOD TYPE); muscle testing for benificial foods refines the choices I make for MY body/metabolism,( Applied Kinesiology, Touch For Health).Jan 30, 2005 at 5:15 pm #1335382Frank RamosMember
I note that most of the preceding posts have been veering away from the topic of hiking into diet in general. The typical American diet-exercise regime is very unhealthy, which is why people are so overweight. But hikers, especially long-distance hikers, don’t normally have a problem with too much food and too little exercise.
The body has no need for carbs per se. What it needs is glucose, since the brain cannot function without glucose and the muscles get tired more easily when burning fat instead of glucose. Carbs and protein can both be converted to glucose, fats cannot be converted to glucose. Digesting protein takes lots of energy, and then converting to glucose in the liver takes more energy. So if you want to avoid creating metabolic heat and overheating in the summertime, then don’t overeat protein. If you want to create metabolic heat to warm yourself up, then lots of protein is the way to go. Eat a huge meal of protein before going to bed and you will sleep very warm indeed.
As for the problem of insulin resistance, that is real, but exercise is a solution, and exercise is exactly what hikers engage in. Especially if you eat while hiking or immediately after stopping, you should be able to eat very high-glycemic index carbohydrates without problem, since the human growth hormone produced by exercise will overcome the insulin resistance. While not hiking, of course, it is probably best to eat lower-glycemic index carbohydrates.
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