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How do vests fit into your 3 season layering system

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PostedMay 7, 2009 at 6:02 pm

I like fleece vests, and wear them around town a lot. But I rarely bring them to the woods. I have never been able to justify their weight/bulk outside of winter (when I'm wearing them all the time).

So, how do you use vests outside of winter? I'm curious as to whether it is puffy (down/syn), fleece (state type i.e. generic Polartec Classic, windpro, softshell, etc) or windbreaking.

One of my central issues with puffy vests under puffy jackets is that you need the jacket to larger to accommodate the vest's loft. This may make the jacket by itself baggy and hang off you and lose thermal efficiency. Myself, I have a MB Thermawrap parka (size M) and a MB Inner down parka (size S). The small fits snugly, and would not allow an additional layer underneath. The medium might allow a small vest.

I have read Richard Nisley's opinion on optimum clothing: in order: LS Capilene -> R1 Hoody -> Houdini -> Micropuff vest -> Micropuff pullover/hoody –> Replace both puffies with down jacket

(I recently tried on a MB Alpine Down vest with the intent to add it to my winter layering system for serious cold)

-M

te – wa BPL Member
PostedMay 7, 2009 at 7:19 pm

i like the montbell inner snap neck vest. it is 3.4 oz in size small. dont expect to layer below it, a very snug fit to begin with. i could size up to the medium, i suppose.

usually i will bring this when i expect summer nights below 50°, which is not uncommon where i hike/camp even in AZ. i'll wear it over a lightweight smartwool merino longsleeve and if i expect below 40° i'll add the HH windbreaker that i brought down to 4oz by cutting out the elastic waist.

PostedMay 7, 2009 at 8:03 pm

I usually bring my REI Gossamer vest. Primaloft, light, comfy and packs down nice and small. T-shirt, Marmot ion windshirt, gossamer vest, WT Superlight Alpinist jkt. (waiting for funds to buy an essence)

Jim MacDiarmid BPL Member
PostedMay 7, 2009 at 8:07 pm

I find that the Montbell thermawrap vest adds just the right amount of warmth under (or over on rest stops) my wind jacket in temperatures in the 40s and 50s. I think (but haven't tested yet) it would also be just enough for those nights when my summerlite is pushed to it's limits. Just keeping my core warm makes a huge difference to me. I never understood the value of vests until I tried one. My large is ~5oz. I have the down inner parka at 8.5oz for when it's colder. The MB vest fits really snug and I can wear it under either my parka or alpine light jacket just fine. Of course, I have to get the MB jackets a little big anyways because I'm between size and the mediums are just a bit too tight/short. Because I don't spend a lot of time in single digit or sub-zero temps now that I don't live in Chicago, I can't justify a super warm down jacket. I find the triple layer of vest, parka and jacket suits me fine if it gets really cold.

Turley BPL Member
PostedMay 7, 2009 at 8:42 pm

I use a Montbell Down Snap Neck Vest (medium) layered over a Mountain Hardwear MicroChill fleece (size small 7 ounces) for use in the Olympics during summer higher elevation hikes.

PostedMay 7, 2009 at 9:55 pm

I have a R2 and micropuff pullover vest.
The R2 lives in the bottom of my pack and is extra insulation for summer/spring/fall climbs where I will be wearing a R1 for most of the day but might need a bit of a booster other then my belay coat.
The micropuff is harder to use. I bring it a lot in winter as a simaler piece to the R2 in summer. Also nice for craiging.

PostedMay 8, 2009 at 2:01 pm

I use a 200 weight fleece vest for cool summer nights.

It Could help if I wore it at night when the temps dipped into the 20s and my 30F WM Megalite got chilly. If I'm in the Rockies or Sierras in summer I always take it and lightweight poly long johns.

Eric

Adrian B BPL Member
PostedMay 10, 2009 at 4:36 pm

I hike in my R2 fleece vest a lot. Not bulky, slim cut works well even under trim MB windshirt, good high neck. What I like is that the full zip of a vest really gives you a big adjustable range of warmth, compared to a thinner half zip long sleeved top. My main beef with the R2 (and fleece vests in general) are the superfluous hand pockets. Marmot does a Powerstretch vest with a single chest pocket which I'd like to try one day.

In camp I use a Skaha Plus Vest in 0.8 Quantum, because it's a really lightweight way to add an insulated + windproof hood to my quilt, plus adding a lot of torso warmth, while skipping on the arms which are more prone to wear and tear.

I used to a Patagonia Nine Trails windproof vest + short sleeved baselayer for bushwhacking, when a long sleeved windshirt would get torn up on bush. Worked pretty well, but not ultralight.

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