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    john king
    Spectator

    @johndking

    I'm taking a crew to the Double H high adventure base, which is run by Philmont, in July and am considering taking two white box alcohol stoves vs. a canister stove. Are alcohol stoves allowed at Philmont?

    #1502133
    Mack Regan
    Member

    @jregan12

    Locale: Southwest

    I don't believe they are. I went to Philmont last summer and we just brought 2 whisperlite stoves and a bunch of canisters. We used about 6 canisters in the 12 days. Everyone carried 2 canisters. The food was fine and it was easy to work.

    I'd go with the canister.

    #1502582
    john king
    Spectator

    @johndking

    Thanks for the advice. I had been in 2005 and used canisters then. Will go that route again this year.

    #1502904
    Phil Barton
    BPL Member

    @flyfast

    Locale: Oklahoma

    John, I'm less certain about Double H. Are there backcountry commissaries there? At Philmont you resupply every 3-4 days. There's a small trading post at each commissary. We found isopropane fuel canisters available there.

    For our 2 crews of 9, each used just over 3 canisters running 2 Windpro stoves for the entire Philmont trek. Our Venturing Crew will do the same this year.

    Even if you don't resupply with food at Double H canister stoves seem to be a great solution for Scouts and cooking in large groups. Have a blast at Double H.

    #1529030
    John Larson
    Member

    @j-larson

    bye bye

    #1529034
    Greg Mihalik
    Spectator

    @greg23

    Locale: Colorado

    Carefull everybody… c a r e f u l l ……

    Deep Breath
    Deep Breath

    maybe wait an hour or so….

    #1529035
    Matt Lutz
    Member

    @citystuckhiker

    Locale: Midwest

    @Greg – good words.

    #1529036
    Ashley Brown
    Member

    @ashleyb

    Too funny.

    #1529065
    Boozer
    BPL Member

    @anywayoutside

    Locale: South East

    huh? what? wow.

    #1529068
    Greg Mihalik
    Spectator

    @greg23

    Locale: Colorado

    I would like to personally commend the hundreds of members who have shown admiral restraint over the past few hours.

    Keep up the good work.

    #1529071
    Thomas Burns
    BPL Member

    @nerdboy52

    Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."

    When I read the post in question, I imbibed a bit of stove fuel (I like Everclear), and I felt much better. :vD

    Stargazer

    P. S. Please do not try this trick with white gas.

    #1529096
    John Davis
    Member

    @billybooster

    Locale: So Cal

    Doesn't alcohol evaporate when in noisy cannisters? They are like small fish – hey have gills through which they can see….

    #1529113
    BlackHatGuy
    Spectator

    @sleeping

    Locale: The Cascades

    You shouldn't waste your time with ANY lightweight stove. Yeah, they're light and all, but you can't heat four pots at once AND bake at the same time. I took a HomeEc course in high school years ago. We tried them all. GE is the best. With the light inside so you can see what's baking. That's what I'd take. And a really, really big battery….

    #1529118
    todd
    BPL Member

    @funnymo

    Locale: SE USA

    That's interesting :)

    RELUCTANTLY biting my tongue……
    Must…not….comment…just…leave…it…
    alone…

    #1529125
    Bruce Tolley
    BPL Member

    @btolley

    Locale: San Francisco Bay Area

    Back to the original question.

    Our ranger during our 2007 Trek used an alcohol pepsi can stove.

    I do not think Philmont prevents anyone from using whatever stove they choose.

    What Philmont controls is the fuel they resupply and the types of foods available to cook and therefore the cooking times and quantity of fuel needed.

    You would have to do the math so see which was the better tradeoff, carrying alcohol for your entire trek vs resupplying with white case or isobutane canisters at the commissaries. And, as the earlier post noted, The Double H Ranch is not Philmont. The treks are shorter (7 days) and there are probably no backcountry commissaries that sell fuel.

    #1529172
    Jim Colten
    BPL Member

    @jcolten

    Locale: MN

    Fully realizing that it's a radical suggestion, I still have to suggest that since it hasn't (yet) been definitively answered here perhaps the O.P. could submit the question to Philmont H.Q. and share the response.

    Our troop's experience has been that they DO respond … maybe not in hours, but with nine months b4 the trek there's little rush.

    #1529182
    Dean F.
    BPL Member

    @acrosome

    Locale: Back in the Front Range

    Actually the OP was back in May. The white gas fanboy resurrected the thread- apparently just to annoy us. :o) The Philmont trip in question has probably been and gone already…

    #1529184
    Greg Mihalik
    Spectator

    @greg23

    Locale: Colorado

    Deep Breath
    Deep Breath….

    #1529979
    John Larson
    Member

    @j-larson

    I can't PM you privately because you do not have an email address registered, so this will have to be public.
    BPL tries very hard to maintain a friendly environment in the Forums, especially in channels such as these Boy Scout ones. (We are a bit more tolerant in the Chaff channel.)

    I am becoming a bit concerned at the very aggressive and abrasive nature of the postings you have made in a number of our channels. I am sure you could phrase them in a more friendly manner? Please.

    Cheers
    Roger Caffin
    Online Community Monitor
    Backpacking Light

    #1529983
    Thomas Burns
    BPL Member

    @nerdboy52

    Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."

    Sigh.

    How about, stop posting and start hiking? ;-)

    Or in my case, stop posting and get back to work. ;vD

    With great love and respect,

    Stargazer

    #1529994
    BlackHatGuy
    Spectator

    @sleeping

    Locale: The Cascades

    "How about, stop posting and start hiking? ;-)

    Or in my case, stop posting and get back to work. ;vD"

    But what if I'm posting from my iPhone on the trail! :-)

    #1616358
    Michael Ray
    BPL Member

    @topshot

    Locale: Midwest

    FYI for those who see this thread in the future, the 2010 GSS no longer allows "homemade" alcohol stoves and alcohol isn't a recommended fuel. Sigh.

    #1616399
    Curtis Ware
    BPL Member

    @ware_curtis

    Locale: Midwest

    Where can the 2010 GSS be found? I just got off scouting.org and their version is still 2007.

    Thanks in advance.

    Curt

    #1616765
    Sarah Kuhn
    BPL Member

    @sckuhn

    Locale: Mountainous Ohio

    Here is a link to the reference to alcohol stoves.
    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/HealthandSafety/GSS/gss07.aspx
    It is a 12/2009 update to the 2007 version which when printed will be the 2010 version (or 2011 on the BSA time table…)
    "Prohibited Chemical-Fueled Equipment—Equipment that is handcrafted, homemade, modified, or …."

    #1787740
    Doug Parker
    Member

    @buffaloskipper

    Locale: Gulf Coast

    Very straightforward question: Are alcohol stoves prohibited at Philmont?

    I understand that G2SS states no: modified, homemade, etc stoves. That is not my question. There are some manufactured, purpose built alcohol stoves on the market. I also understand that denatured alcohol is not a recomended fuel in the G2SS (but based on what I have read about the quality of Philmont's white gas, it could be clasified in this category as well). I also understand that Philmont does not supply alcohol. So back to my original question:

    Are alcohol stoves prohibited at Philmont?

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