Mosquitoes & Black Flies vs Clothing

If it's treated with permathrin, you're good.

I think any thickness of supplex or nylon shirt or pants will stop mosquitos if it has a tight weave and doesn't stretch, so for summer, the lightest coolest option may be best. Loose fitting is also much better. I have read about mosquitos biting through thin nylon in the arctic, but that sounds like extreme situations.

I think the same is true for all flies. You use the term "black flies" and then refer to the south, and not to be territorial about our spring time joy, I thought the term "black fly" refers exclusively to the very small midges/gnats of the northern woods, and not dark colored flies from elsewhere. In any case, true black flies land and crawl around, so for protection there you want to protect the edges, so tucked in, collars, and tight ankles are key.

How often do you have to re-apply Permathren to the clothing ? (every day, after washing, after rain, etc)

I was referring to the black flies I used to have to deal with in the Adirondacks of upstate New York. They are slightly bigger than house flies, very persistant, bite hard and leave a swelled-up welt like mosquitoes (only the welt is much bigger and itches more).

Here in the mid south east (Virginia), I think the flies are actually deer flies and in the Asqateaque / Chincoteque area are actually horse flies – but they bite just like the black flies in the Adirondacks.

There are also a lot of Gnats / Midges near any water that are irritating (get stuck in your eyes when you blink, etc) – but they don't bite, so a head net is all that's needed for them.

I know those biting flies in the adirondaks. They are never referred to as "black flies": I don't think they have a name (at least not one in general use) other than "biting flies". They are a mid summer, on the water, major pest and are likely related to deer flies. Deer flies go high and so a hat is necessary, biting flies like those seem to like to go low, so pants and shoes can be a big help (particularly if paddling).

They can bite through light open weave clothing, but I don't think I have ever seen them bite through a dense weave like supplex.

John:

Spraying your clothing, socks and boots with Permethrin does wonders! Bugs stay away — I don't remember being bitten through my clothing — or ever finding bugs in my socks or shoes in the mornings (although I still look before wearing).

Mosquitos can bite through both those shirts you list. I have not been around black flies. You would need other clothing or treatment with permethrin. Mosquitos cannot bite through driducks and maybe not a windshirt over your regular shirt.

Light colored clothing works best, dark colors attract the beasties more.

cheers,
fred

FWIW, my brother tells me that he doesn't get bitten through the "covered" portions of his RailRiders (shirt).

These are good for hot weather due to ~3" wide panel of mesh from wrist to arm pit and on down to shirttail.

The mesh panel gives mosquitoes access but this isn't an issue while hiking. In camp, put on the dri-ducks.

http://www.railriders.com

Kent

Kent, my experience concurs with your brother's: the extremely small diameter fibers and the tight weave of the nylon fabric togeather conspire to prevent the little devils from penetrating to your skin's surface…and no permithrin required. That's the difference between a knit and woven fabric. My BPL Thoroughfare shirt and pants (and another supplex shirt in my kit with back vents) have changed my springtime 'skeeter/biting flies experience. If I'm also wearing a headnet, then the only areas requiring DEET are the wrist and back of the hands.

I've had good luck wearing long sleeved nylon shirts and long pants (REI Sahara). They can bite through, especially at the knees when you're sitting/squatting when the cloth is pulled very tightly against the skin, but nylon clothing is re WAY better than "T" shirt type cloth. It not only saves DEET but also sunscreen. I just have to put DEET and sunscreen on the back of my hands and wrists and my head. If I wear a head net, then I don't have to put DEET anywhere near my mouth or eyes. Nothin' like sweating DEET and sunscreen into your eyes while you're out hiking. Yuck! :(

I don't have as much experience with the biting horse flies (that's what I've always called the large black flies). Can't comment as to the efficacy of nylon with them. I have encountered horse flies futher north. I consider horse flies worse than mosquitos. OUCH! They hurt when they bite. I once bailed on a backpack a couple of days early just to get away from the cursed things.

There is a fifth season in the Adirondacks and we call it "black fly season."

During this time you will be hard pressed to get many locals out of their houses.

the flies look like this:

I have seen them blot out the sun. The swarms are a thing of legend.

From the end of May through June they make hiking nearly impossible and no bug spray will deter them for more then a couple of minutes. Long clothes and a head net are about all that will stop them and even then you will receive bites.

The bites itch like hell and leave welts like this:

Tuck in your cuffs or just stay inside during the morning and evening when they are feeding.

These thing cut a perfectly good summer in half.

–scott

“How often do you have to re-apply Permathren to the clothing ? (every day, after washing, after rain, etc)”

From http://www.sawyerproducts.com/faqpermethrin.htm
“an application lasts for six weeks and through six washings.”

I love how it kills ticks and chiggers. The Midwest is loaded with them.

-Barry

Scott:

Man, those look awful!!!

DEET does little to nothing to deter biting flies. Yes, our best bet is to use a combination of Permethrin on our clothing and DEET on our skin — plus netting in truly bad cases!

Perhaps oversimplified, but…

Something's better than nothing. More densely woven clothes definitely keep the buggers off you better, but anything covering skin helps. During the Minnesota and northern Michigan hatch in early to mid June I wear long sleeves, pants tucked into socks, and a wide-brimmed hat with a bug net. A little bug dope (Ben's 30% works great) on the back of my hands and around my wrists, a dab of eau de notbug behind the ears and under the jawline… and a healthy spray on the crown and both sides of the brim of the hat.