Water bottles for boiling
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Lots of great input, thanks for all the feedback.
Top reason for this approach is shear simplicity.Rational for cooking set up would be to pack a water bottle which is used throughout the day, doubles as a cook pot at night & only additional item would be a long handled spoon for eating out of freezer bags. Small cooking fire with hot coal bed would replace a stove. Fire starting supplies would also be required, but this is usually packed anyways.
Golite VO24 shown is packed with enough gear and food for 2 full days out in current southeast conditions (50/60 during the day, lower 40's at night)
Awesome old thread.
I've been looking for an alternative to my kleen kanteen for my ultralight cook kit.
Have tried Venom Energy drinks with a wire twine handle and at 2.3oz it is superbly light and can boil water like a deamon (2min/ 2 cups) since it sits down inside my wood wood burner. Indeed with boil times faster then any production stove it turns the "slow" wood stove myths, and the "inefficient" small bottom pot myths up side down. It's not rocket science, it's simply getting back to the basics.
And it also works as a water bottle.
However… the Venom energy drink bottle doesn't hold enough water for my needs during the day.
Likewise the 27oz kleen kanteen, while awesome, indestructible and superb as a boiler weighs 8oz.
What I'm looking for is something bigger and/or lighter then the kleen kanteen. Say 1L/34oz or even 1.5L/48oz.
The wider the mouth the better.
There are some good mentions in this thread, but a lot of them are no longer available.
The closest thing I can find are the Sigg wide mouth aluminum bottles in 1.5L and 1L.
== Sigg wide mouth aluminum water bottles ==
1.5L
http://mysigg.com/store/sigg-large-alu-wide-mouth.html1L
http://mysigg.com/store/bottles/wide-mouth-black-touch-swiss-cross.htmlI suspect that they like most have some sort of coating on the inside, but I can find nothing on their care instructions that says "do not boil water in" or "do not place in fire", nor any mention of an inner coating or liner: http://mysigg.com/about/care-instructions/
I'm thinking I may just have to try the 1L one. I figure worst case scenario I burn off all the internal coating. I don't suspect it'll corrode, but I wonder about any possible health concerns with long term use.
So… the rest of the cook kit.
== the cook kit ==
So, to understand the why of the pot you have to see the cook kit.
I think I have it paired down and dialed in pretty well.
# 2oz titanium wood stove
# .6oz platypus bowl / mug
# .6oz and now .3oz lightload towels
# 2.3oz Venom Energy drink pot / water bottle
*Venom bottle included wire twine handle and bottle cap
Plus a mini bic lighter, with a spare in my first aid kit ;)
Titanium stakes… also handy for grill top, staking down the stove for extra stability, and simply adjusting the diameter of the stove to dial efficiency and burn time.
An ounce or so of aluminum foil… always handy.
With this setup there is no need to carry fuel. No need to carry tinder since I have plenty of things in my kit I can use as tinder and fire starter… i.e. petrolium based oinments, ubiquitous plastic bags, twine / paracord, toilet paper, etc, etc, etc.
I do often collect bits of my favorite natural flameables toward the end of the day or if I think it'll be raining when I make camp. I call this being a "wood gourmand".
I love the smell of hickory in the evening. Indeed I love sampling all the different woods and it stimulates more thought and attention in identifying flora and fauna. Scent is a key to memory… nothing like the memories and smells of unique wood types on different trips and in different climates.
I also carry a 1.9oz knife that I custom made for splitting wood into kindling with an improvised baton…. so even in extremely wet conditions I'm covered. I don't consider this a specific addition to my cook kit since it is my primary knife. I also cary a tiny high quality slotted sharpener that fits on my key chain in case I need to abuse my knife, i.e. by digging a sanitary hole.
I view fire indeed any cooking stove as non-essential… though i really really love it. I can take it and leave it a night here or there if no fires are allowed.
There is always something I can eat cold or hydrate cold for a night or two if fires are not allowed.
I also consider that I can can pick up HEET or other alcohol and improvise a top notch alcohol stove at pretty much any gas station or store along the way.
As for water purification fire is my primary means, but I also carry iodine tablets in an emergency.. but mostly I use the iodine as a means of sterilizing water bladders if I've had to use them for unpurified water.
As goes with firestarting, as goes with cooking, as goes with water purification… I go light, but I focus on multi-use gear and make sure i have several redundant approaches to accomplishing the goal.
I love fire because it's fire.
I love that fire keeps the bugs at bay… that it throws a little flickering light… as a source of heat, and above all the smells and ambience in the evening.
I love setting my coffee back on the edge of the fire to keep it piping hot.
What's more the scaleable diameter of my stove, a glorified fire ring of sorts, allows me to dial up or dial down how much fuel it consumes, how long it will burn unattended and the footprint it leaves is easily covered by moving and then moving back ground cover.
I can do a quick burn for cooking only… or I can open it up and use it as a heat reflector for a full on camfire… or I can simply use it as a windscreen for an improvised alcohol stove.
The key thing is that the footprint is minimal, and all together optional… and in an emergency it's pretty much infallible.
Bob,
I've still got mine. ;-)
I consumed the contents in an all out effort to avoid waste and pursue my MYOG uses for such a worthy piece of "feed stock".
By no means am I attempting to qualify as an @$$?o1&.
I only had MYOG as my goal, honest! ;-) LOL
Party On,
Newton
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