Sleeping bag with 18oz of overfill(?)

Because many manufacturers no longer provide loft figures (which relate directly to warmth and fabric cut) it has become more difficult to compare bags… Marmot is right at the top of those not providing loft figures, and therefore it’s impossible to answer your question. My guess is the Paiju is cut with slightly large baffles for more loft, and is warmer. It also has a draft collar, the Lithium doesn’t. I wouldn’t want a 0* bag without a draft collar. And, of course, Marmot’s fill figure on the Paiju could be a misprint…

This is for the regular length Lithium and the long Paiju. The regular Lithium weighs 3.1 lbs and the long Paiju 3.8 lbs.

The regular Lithium contains 961 g (33.9 oz) down fill and the long Paiju has 1280 g (45.15 oz) down fill. So for comparison the long Paiju has 11.25 oz more than the regular Lithium. Also the Lithium has a 20d (1.02 oz) inner and 30D (1.09 oz) outer liner compared to the slightly heavier 1.3 oz shell of the Poiju.

I got the info from the highly accurate ulog. They usually know more about products than the manufacturer reps. I can’t find the exact fill weight (and total weight) of the long Lithium right now. https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/equipment-c3/sleeping-bags-c21/sleeping-bags-c88/marmot-m133

I got the info from the highly accurate ulog. They usually know more about products than the manufacturer reps. I can’t find the exact fill weight of the long Lithium right now. https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/equipment-c3/sleeping-bags-c21/sleeping-bags-c88/marmot-m133

But which still does not offer loft figures…

Some of the numbers are clearly askew.

They have a no-cost return policy but not for cash, which is to say if I buy both to get real data, means I’ll end up trading one for an item at full price after the sale ends.

Screw it, I’ll skip the sale and buy something from a company that has their act together.

Correction: the total weight of the long Paiju is 4.175 lb, so Marmot did manage to get at least 1 spec right. The 3.8 lbs I stated above was for the regular length…Dope!!

The total bag weights ulog lists is without stuffsacks. Whenever they receive gear from the manufacturer they weigh it. They know better than to trust gear maker’s claims regarding weights.

Marmot web site says the regular Lithium weighs 2 lb 9.5 oz and the long 2 lb 13 oz. Gee, what’s wrong with this picture? They’re way off on many specs. Maybe they should do a little more double checking and perhaps a refresher course in basic 7th grade arithmetic might be in order too.

I’ve got a WM Kodiak and love it.  The rating has proven to be accurate in base layers on an Xtherm in spite of being luxuriously roomy for my 5’9” 165lb frame.

The WM bags are a step up from this price point (esp considering the 30% off sale)  but I’m thinking I’ll save up some money and go that direction.

If there’s one thing I learned in life, its to never go cheap on ice skates and sleeping bags.

I have the Marmot Hydrogen and it’s a terrific bag. But it’s a summer bag. The temp ratings are spot on.

The WM bags are a step up from this price point (esp considering the 30% off sale) but I’m thinking I’ll save up some money and go that direction.

If there’s one thing I learned in life, its to never go cheap on ice skates and sleeping bags.

Besides the 3 Western Mountaineering bags currently at our house, we’ve owned an additional 5 or 6. I wouldn’t own any other bag.

In a WM zero-ish degree bag I’d recommend either the Versalite or Antelope (I’ve had both, currently have the Versalite).

In a WM zero-ish degree bag I’d recommend either the Versalite or Antelope (I’ve had both, currently have the Versalite).

My Versalite is by far the best bag I’ve owned.  WM rates it to 10 degrees, but I’ve used it down close to 0 and been very comfortable.  I don’t know if you’re in a hurry, but eventually Hermit’s Hut may get these back in stock.  A Versalite with 2 ounces of overfill would be a great winter bag.

I’ll add Feathered Friends to WM as a manufacturer that does sleeping bags right.

I own a couple, but the Snowbunting with 2 oz of overfill is my go to winter bag.

Backcountry has the long Lithium for $373 and you can do returns with no questions asked. They are great to deal with. I must say that the price is very attractive. Western Mountaineering is the gold standard, but the price would be about double of what the Lithium is for a comparable rated bag. Just because Marmot doesn’t list the proper specs doesn’t mean their bags aren’t quality. https://www.backcountry.com/marmot-lithium-sleeping-bag-0-degree-down?skid=MAR00TB-X001-Y002&ti=UExQIENhdDpEb3duIFNsZWVwaW5nIEJhZ3M6MToyOmJjLWRvd24tc2xlZXBpbmctYmFncw==

A Versalite with 2 ounces of overfill would be a great winter bag.

Indeed. All but one of our WM’s came from Hermit’s Hut with overfill. My Versalite has overfill and I’ve had it down to the single digits.